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Did Paul judge a hole slew of people in Rom 1, and then say "do not judge" in Rom 2?
No. He spoke the truth in Rom 1, he did not attack any particular person, so he didn't judge anyone. That is what others are trying to do here, but every time you try, the judgers will throw rocks at you and accuse you of being judgmental, hater, bigot, etc. Ironically they end up being guilty of what they try to accuse others of.
Dude, it's a vicious cycle. We say something that isn't all syrupy sweet and sprinkled with what they define as love, so we are roasted as bigots, haters, and worshippers of a book. They of course are not flinging insults, we just don't understand the true nature of their 'love'. We do it because we're evil. They do it unintentionally and should of course be given the benefit of the doubt.
Romulus- all are born into this world with a sin nature, so I'm afraid your dog won't hunt.
No, it sure isn't, but it is typical you'd think trying to discuss something equates to "going after people". That's the whole problem with your stance, and makes the discussion a waste of time.
Is it possible for you to give a simple answer to the question that Romulus has asked over and over? All this talk about violence is really nothing more than sidestepping the question asked of you.
Do you believe that some people are born with a an innate attraction to people of the same sex? Yes or No.
Is it possible for you to give a simple answer to the question that Romulus has asked over and over? All this talk about violence is really nothing more than sidestepping the question asked of you.
I tried to have an honest discussion with him, and offered my view points, and he told me "don't give me that nonsense.....". He is not interested in my views. He is only interested in pushing his agenda. I brought up my view before he started asking the question, so he is asking the question to deflect from my obvious point.
Why should I continue to waste my time, when he straight up told me he is not interested in my views?
Furthermore, why would a moderator ask me to continue to waste my time?
As for his question, I already answered it by saying people are not necessarily both with tendencies, but can develop them as they grow up.
Like I said, he is not interested in anything other than posting same lines he has posted hundreds of times already. Everyone else has already given up on him.
He is free to believe anything he wants. I won't change his mind, and he won't change mine.
He also started to accuse me of "going after people", which is not true, so there are multiple reasons for me to stop this waste of time. Why don't you challenge him about that, since you want to get involved?
Is it possible for you to give a simple answer to the question that Romulus has asked over and over? All this talk about violence is really nothing more than sidestepping the question asked of you.
Do you believe that some people are born with a an innate attraction to people of the same sex? Yes or No.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
I tried to have an honest discussion with him, and offered my view points, and he told me "don't give me that nonsense.....". He is not interested in my views. He is only interested in pushing his agenda. I brought up my view before he started asking the question, so he is asking the question to deflect from my obvious point.
Why should I continue to waste my time, when he straight up told me he is not interested in my views?
Furthermore, why would a moderator ask me to continue to waste my time?
As for his question, I already answered it by saying people are not necessarily both with tendencies, but can develop them as they grow up.
Like I said, he is not interested in anything other than posting same lines he has posted hundreds of times already. Everyone else has already given up on him.
He is free to believe anything he wants. I won't change his mind, and he won't change mine.
He also started to accuse me of "going after people", which is not true, so there are multiple reasons for me to stop this waste of time. Why don't you challenge him about that, since you want to get involved?
You pick up where I left off.
So, is that a Yes or a No?
BTW, Moderators are members of City-Data. I'm not making a moderator post. I'm not asking you to waste your time. All I'm asking you to do is answer the simply Yes or No question. If I had seen you answer it in clear unambiguous terms before, I would not have asked.
BTW, Moderators are members of City-Data. I'm not making a moderator post. I'm not asking you to waste your time. All I'm asking you to do is answer the simply Yes or No question. If I had seen you answer it in clear unambiguous terms before, I would not have asked.
Is it Yes or No?
I answered the question multiple times. I said people are not necessarily born with tendencies, but can develop them as they grow up. This is proven, as many gays have said they were not always gay. People have tried to research the subject (starting with Simon LeVay's flawed conclusions) in order to prove some are born that way and have failed to establish any scientific evidence to show there is 100% genetic basis for it.
If you don't like the answer, it is not my problem.
I'll let you know when I need your help getting a Yes/No answer from people like Jerwade who never give me an answer.
I answered the question multiple times. I said people are not necessarily born with tendencies, but can develop them as they grow up. This is proven, as many gays have said they were not always gay. People have tried to research the subject (starting with Simon LeVay's flawed conclusions) in order to prove some are born that way and have failed to establish any scientific evidence to show there is 100% genetic basis for it.
If you don't like the answer, it is not my problem.
I'll let you know when I need your help getting a Yes/No answer from people like Jerwade who never give me an answer.
That's all. Thanks.
OK. In all that long post, all you said was "No."
I disagree. I instinctively know that nobody would CHOOSE to live such a difficult existence. I know that, as far back as my memory takes me (like to age 3), that I never made a choice that I would be attracted to females instead of males or both or either. I remember having a "sorta crush" on a girl in my first grade class. I remember noticing pretty girls in junior high school. I remember knowing it was OK to ask a girl for a date when I was in high school. In all my life, it never occurred to me to ask a guy for a date. Never. Therefore, I know that sexual orientation was absolutely NEVER a choice for me, and I see no reason to think it was for anybody else.
BTW, that still leaves room for people that are confused, or are attracted to either or both sexes.
I don't need scientific research to know the truth of this.
What part of what mensaguy do you disagree with and explain why. You haven't an argument that you have put any reasonable thought into other than you think homosexuality is sinful because you "think" the bible says so.
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