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The science is on the side of the Heterosexuals and Bisexuals. There is no genetic or ethogenetic proven link for being born as a Homosexual.
So, why did you ignore the science I showed you that indicates you to be absolutely wrong. Is that being honest? Is that a Christian trait not to want to know?
You mean he won't have sex with his wife after menopause? Seriously?
I assume not. He's said that it's sinful to have sex for any reason other than attempting to get your wife pregnant.
Since he is bi- or homosexual, it's really understandable that he would have some confused feelings/ideas about sexuality in general, given that our society as a whole, and specifically the Christian community that perhaps he was raised in, has been so unaccepting and condemning of LGBT.
I feel bad for what anyone who isn't straight must have gone through in their formative years and am unsurprised that that damage done might manifest itself in some odd ways. People are just tryhing to protect themselves from more emotional pain.
I don't need to read YOUR links. I have studied it enough. As I stated before, there is NO proven evidence of genetic link or ethogentics to homosexuality.
The scientific evidence certainly proves a genetic link. It DISPROVES your biblical bias of "people make a choice."
But you are ugly at heart. You don't have a Jesus mind, but a Pharisee mind. You are an enemy of people God sent Jesus to die for. You ignore Paul, James, John, and Jesus with regard to loving others as yourself.
In short, you are a biblical abomination, for there are many, many more verses about loving others than hating homosexuals. But then the Bible isn't really, your concern, your bigotry is too important to be overruled by love.
The scientific evidence certainly proves a genetic link. It DISPROVES your biblical bias of "people make a choice."
But you are ugly at heart. You don't have a Jesus mind, but a Pharisee mind. You are an enemy of people God sent Jesus to die for. You ignore Paul, James, John, and Jesus with regard to loving others as yourself.
In short, you are a biblical abomination.
Warden, I think it's possible that HWC doesn't have much love for himself. Which would make this a case of, "Father forgive him, he knows not what he does."
Which all totals up the the grand sum of zero since you don't know my personal interactions with people. You really stepped in it by claiming something as fact and trying to justify. I really have a low tolerance for rude people and those who lie and you are dinging pretty good on those meters.
Yes, we are the rude ones. Not you, who wants gay people to be discriminated against... Sure Jeff. Sure.
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So your point was basically a desperate to paint anything negative over my desire to help gay people. Disgusting as usual.
I told you what my point was. You, as usual, didn't use any comprehension reading it. I never said it is a negative thing to help people without knowing them. What makes you think I did? My point, was that helping people doesn't mean you actually know them.
What's disgusting is your lack of reading comprehension.
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The only thing I advocate is for them to stop forcing good Christian business owners to be dragged into the ugly sinful realm of gay marriage. They are the ones going outside the norm, creating a brand new institution and then flying the discrimination flag if we don't accept that institution. That has nothing to do with treating people as equals. Imagine if I went into a pet store and told the owner that I wanted some dogs for my dog eating ceremony. And then cry discrimination when he refuses to sell. And no, I'm not comparing gay people to dog eaters so don't even go there.
Right, you advocate for Christian business owner to discriminate against gay people... Which is what I said. If you don't believe they should be served just as everyone else, you don't consider them equal. Pretty simple here, Jeff.
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I made no direct comparison between the two. That's the false narrative you have to sell here. I'm only showing the fallacy of believing in sexual orientation at birth.
Doesn't have to be direct. And your "fallacy" is no such thing. Even if you are born attracted to little girls, you don't have to act on it. The actual attraction isn't the issue. Acting out anything related to it is.
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And it's a choice to engage in same sex behavior as well. The difference is we throw some pedophiles in prison who didn't even make those choices. They merely had the desire. Again, how is that fair if they are born that way? The claim that I think of them as sub-human is completely false and nothing more than your typical grandstanding mud slinging. Urban talked about his mission work directly with gay people and you still trashed him. You'll just create whatever narrative you need to demonize good Bible believing Christians.
A choice as to the behavior, but not to the orientation. That's what you guys seem incapable of understanding. If you are attracted to men, as a man, you are gay, whether you have sexual intercourse with another man or not. In other words, yes, you can CHOOSE not to engage in activities, but you are still born gay, or straight, or whatever.
Are there SOME extenuating circumstances? Sure, like everything else. Certainly not even remotely close to the rule though.
Warden, I think it's possible that HWC doesn't have much love for himself. Which would make this a case of, "Father forgive him, he knows not what he does."
I think it safe to say most fundies are unhappy with who they see in their mirror.
So, why did you ignore the science I showed you that indicates you to be absolutely wrong. Is that being honest? Is that a Christian trait not to want to know?
There is no science that is proving me wrong. Science is proving me right.
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