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Old 03-20-2016, 05:46 AM
 
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The problem is they own a business that serves the PUBLIC. They do WEDDINGS for the PUBLIC. They are not a CHURCH. Since the do weddings for other people--they must also offer the service to ALL people.

What do evangelicals NOT understand? Discrimination is WRONG, is is ILLEGAL.

NO, the problem is the laws now cause a conflict between freedom of religion and broad based discrimination. Do you really thing EVERYTHING in life must be 100% equal or it is discrimination?

 
Old 03-20-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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I notice it doesn't bother you one bit that Christians are being harassed and threatened. And you call us the oppressors? Homosexuals are demanding that Christians accept their immoral lifestyle or be severely punished. Here's a thought, how about just leaving nice business owners alone who don't want to get involved with a wedding?

Society has a whole has traditionally accepted marriage as being between man and woman so again, you're not retaking something back. Cultures that fully embrace a homosexual lifestyle tend to be destroyed. The Roman empire for example. I bet they couldn't phantom that one day, they would be toppled.
Fundamentalist christians are constantly playing the victim card when no one is oppressing them or denying them rights. In fact, unfortunately, christianity still exerts influence in western societies, that's why homophobia has been hard to get rid of, just to give an example.

Fundamentalist christians are the oppressors, the ones harrassing LGBT people, the ones demonising LGBT people, the ones belittling LGBT people, the ones who can't stand the thought of not being a privileged class anymore, the ones frustrated for losing the power they used to have before.

Homosexuality is not immoral, period. I cannot say the same about all Abrahamic religions. The bible contains a lot of questionable premises. You don't have a monopoly on morality nor any belief that lacks evidence has the right to tell what's right and what's wrong as a undeniable truth. If you have little understanding of how things work in the real world your sense of morality will be poor.

There is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle. No book telling you how to live your life, no book telling you to pray, no book telling you to isolate yourself from people for not having the same beliefs as yours. That's christianity.

By the way, when we say fundamentalist christian we don't really believe they really believe eveything that appears in the bible or that they live according to it in every aspect as if they had reached a state of total purity. No, humans are humans if you know what I mean. The mouth says many things.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I notice it doesn't bother you one bit that Christians are being harassed and threatened. And you call us the oppressors? Homosexuals are demanding that Christians accept their immoral lifestyle or be severely punished. Here's a thought, how about just leaving nice business owners alone who don't want to get involved with a wedding?

Society has a whole has traditionally accepted marriage as being between man and woman so again, you're not retaking something back. Cultures that fully embrace a homosexual lifestyle tend to be destroyed. The Roman empire for example. I bet they couldn't phantom that one day, they would be toppled.

Rome fell after Constantine became emperor and homosexuality was outlawed. The first Roman law against homosexual marriage was promulgated by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans.

Homosexuality was widely accepted from its beginning up until Emperor Constantine when the Empire was formally converted to Christianity. With the new religion, after nearly 600 plus years with a culture that was pro-homosexual, homosexuality is discouraged and outlawed. The Empire then only lasts another 173-260 years, depending on which dates you want to use. This may seem like a lot, but remember that this is Rome’s ‘Age of Decline’. It lasted for centuries more, but in a weaker and weaker state.
It appears to be clear that Rome’s rise corresponded with more liberal positions on homosexuality and its stricter anti-homosexual stance corresponded to its disintegration.

DOOD. A link... A Global Historical Survey: Does Accepting Homosexuality Lead to Civilizational Ruin? | Applied Sentience
 
Old 03-20-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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Then don't respond instead of making snide little insults.
The sentence you wrote made no sense. But you consider my urging you to write a coherent sentence a snide little insult? My goodness....You sure are determined to play the victim.

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Old 03-20-2016, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The sentence you wrote made no sense. But you consider my urging you to write a coherent sentence a snide little insult? My goodness....You sure are determined to play the victim.
He's a one-trick pony. And has become a colossal bore.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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a link that is, to a revisionist, agenda-driven website
which allows anyone to write there, certainly not a source for anything.
"Applied Sentience is a National Platform for the Next Generation of Humanist Thinkers"

here is a link to a historian's viewpoint which upset
the homosexual lobby.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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here is a link to a historian's viewpoint which upset the homosexual lobby.

"While historians have examined dozens of reasons for the decline of the greatest empire the world had ever seen, homosexuality is not one of them."

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Old 03-20-2016, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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a link that is, to a revisionist, agenda-driven website
which allows anyone to write there, certainly not a source for anything.
"Applied Sentience is a National Platform for the Next Generation of Humanist Thinkers"

here is a link to a historian's viewpoint which upset
the homosexual lobby.
It was not the sole reason, moral decay in general fueled the destruction of the empire.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It was not the sole reason, moral decay in general fueled the destruction of the empire.
The reasons for the fall of the empire may have included: military overreach, the invasion by emboldened tribes of Huns and Visigoths from northern and central Europe, inflation, corruption; and political incompetence - just to name a few.

So much for flexing their muscles?


 
Old 03-20-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Originally Posted by Snowball7 View Post
a link that is, to a revisionist, agenda-driven website
which allows anyone to write there, certainly not a source for anything.
"Applied Sentience is a National Platform for the Next Generation of Humanist Thinkers"

here is a link to a historian's viewpoint which upset
the homosexual lobby.
Isn't this link just as re-visionary, agenda-driven as the opposing POV?
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