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Christ is the only way a person may be reborn from what they were into the image and likeness of their creator that was God's plan for man and stated so clearly in Ge.1:26
Something the law that you cannot follow cannot do for you or anyone else
You serve a religion that is based on racism, and hate given witness by the apartheid practiced in modern day Israel.......... if anyone thinks different all they need to do is ask a black Ethiopian Jew if they are treated equally or discriminated against?.......... for christians and arabs living in Israel it gets even worse
I said nothing about predestination. Nor did I suggest that God overtly caused anything. I am simply talking about foreknowledge. Either God has perfect foreknowledge, and knows all possible outcome in advance. Or God does not have foreknowledge and is therefore fallible. If God is omnipotent and omniscient then God gets the results He intends to get without fail.
Not using foreknowledge for every single thing doesn't mean God is fallible. It means He allows people freewill. All outcomes are not set in stone, which they would be un-changeable if God had foreknowledge of every event. Because whatever God says will happen, it will happen. (Isaiah 55:11) Where does it say that God is fallible for giving people freewill in the Bible? Again, this is John Calvin's doctrine and the Bible shoots his doctrine full of holes. If John Calvin was right then their would be no need for a Bible or spiritual education. Why teach a person anything if God already knows if they will be righteous or wicked? The message of the Bible seems to indicate that God is selective with His power of foreknowledge and allows for choice.
Mordecai told Esther if she did go to the King to save her people then God would send another savior in her place. "For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will come to the Jews from another source..." (Esther 4:14) So clearly God didn't know Esther's choice and was prepared to give 'deliverance to the Jews from another source' if Esther refused. True Jehovah does know all the possible choices a person can make but the Bible doesn't say that God knows what everyone's final choice will be.
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These are the twelve disciples of Jesus;
Andrew
Bartholomew or Nathanael
James, the Elder
James, the Lesser or Younger
John
Judas
Jude or Thaddeus
Matthew or Levi
Peter or Simon Peter
Philip
Simon the Zealot
Thomas
correction Luke was not one of the twelve ... he was a companion of Paul .... whom Paul did meet on the road to Damascus.
In other words it's all true because you say so. That's what this statement amounts to. You know it's true because it's in the Bible, and the Bible says it, so you know it's true. That's fine if you believe it, but "it's in the Bible, I believe it, and that settles it," is not really an argument. That's just you making an unsupported statement. It's a conditioned response to your years of training, and that's all.
Here are the names of the 12 apostles. Show me a Luke.
Matthew 10:
[2] Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
[3] Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
[4] Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
According to tradition the author of Gospel Luke was a follower of Paul, who also never met the living Jesus.
Whomever wrote the Gospel According to Luke wrote Luke 4:6-7. That's how it works. And whomever wrote Gospel Luke WAS NOT in the desert with Jesus. So who recorded what Jesus said?
It may be time to begin to give some actual thought about what it is that you think you believe in.
In other words it's all false because you say so. That's what all these statement amounts to.
btw: correct, Luke was not one of the twelve ... he was a companion of Paul .... whom Paul did meet the living and resurrected Jesus on the road to Damascus.
Not using foreknowledge for every single thing doesn't mean God is fallible. It means He allows people freewill. All outcomes are not set in stone, which they would be un-changeable if God had foreknowledge of every event. Because whatever God says will happen, it will happen. (Isaiah 55:11) Where does it say that God is fallible for giving people freewill in the Bible? Again, this is John Calvin's doctrine and the Bible shoots his doctrine full of holes. If John Calvin was right then their would be no need for a Bible or spiritual education. Why teach a person anything if God already knows if they will be righteous or wicked? The message of the Bible seems to indicate that God is selective with His power of foreknowledge and allows for choice.
It is obvious that you do not understand Calvinism very well...
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Mordecai told Esther if she did go to the King to save her people then God would send another savior in her place. "For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will come to the Jews from another source..." (Esther 4:14) So clearly God didn't know Esther's choice and was prepared to give 'deliverance to the Jews from another source' if Esther refused. True Jehovah does know all the possible choices a person can make but the Bible doesn't say that God knows what everyone's final choice will be.
It is obvious that you do not understand Calvinism very well...
Mordecai told Esther if she did go to the King to save her people then God would send another savior in her place. "For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will come to the Jews from another source..." (Esther 4:14) So clearly God didn't know Esther's choice and was prepared to give 'deliverance to the Jews from another source' if Esther refused. True Jehovah does know all the possible choices a person can make but the Bible doesn't say that God knows what everyone's final choice will be.
Yes it does...[/quote]
I have shown in the book of Esther where God is ready alter His plans if someone doesn't do what He tells them to do. The Bible shows that God wouldn't even need to even consider 'another source' if He knew every choice a person made.
I have shown in the book of Esther where God is ready alter His plans if someone doesn't do what He tells them to do. The Bible shows that God wouldn't even need to even consider 'another source' if He knew every choice a person made.
The purpose of every utterance of Satan is deception, but Satan can certainly utter truth in false context in order to deceive.
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Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Satan asserted "it is written" and accurately quoted scripture. Scripture is truth; Satan can quote scripture...but he will quote it in false context in order to deceive.
The purpose of every utterance of Satan is deception, but Satan can certainly utter truth in false context in order to deceive.
Satan asserted "it is written" and accurately quoted scripture. Scripture is truth; Satan can quote scripture...but he will quote it in false context in order to deceive.
Satan is us...
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