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Old 02-11-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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gotta agree with Richard1965 on that one, Vizio's statement "God does not hold us guilty
while we are here on earth" is 100% heretical. There is temporal punishment for sin, not
to mention eternal jeopardy.
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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Why do you call it nonsense Snowball?
Because what he wrote was not an accurate description of the Parousia, the Second
Coming when all is changed. The Second Coming is not a "dispensation". It is the
culmination of all prophecy and divine promise.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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Woo-Hoo!!!...That means I can go cheat on my wife and still go to heaven!...Yessss!!...
I hardly think that's what he meant.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:42 PM
 
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But without the space that I put in after the first bracket. The space was necessary to prevent the picture from coming up instead of the example. Without the space, this would have come up.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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I really thought we hit it off on tithing, , but this is going downhill. ...just joking.

If it's the 'one new man' season (2000years; 2 days; 2 weeks) then the paradigm has shifted from natural Israel to spiritual Israel. There's no going back to a physical manifestation of a Kingdom. (Even if one has a soft spot for physical Israel., and yes, even if they are a prophetic indicator of the times or of fulfilled prophecies, etc., etc.). My understanding of manifest sonship and a non literal interpretation of Revelation came on leaps and bounds when I found J Preston Eby's website Kingdom Bible Ministries, a couple of years ago. I think it's your time my friend.
No we are not spiritual Israel, Israel is Israel and the "one new Man" is not Israel. It is made up of all peoples and no difference is made. I have no idea what this "manifest sonship" is so I cannot comment on that.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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What a bunch of nonsense. And people say the Catholic Church is not Biblical !
:headscratch:
Not everyone understands nor accepts it. The thing is though, it is 100% biblical!
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Woo-Hoo!!!...That means I can go cheat on my wife and still go to heaven!...Yessss!!...
If you think you can go to heaven based on what you do you will never make it.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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Because what he wrote was not an accurate description of the Parousia, the Second
Coming when all is changed. The Second Coming is not a "dispensation". It is the
culmination of all prophecy and divine promise.
I have always consider the "second coming" to be after the tribulation when He comes back to earth. Not the rapture when He does not come back down to earth.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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I have always consider the "second coming" to be after the tribulation when He comes back to earth. Not the rapture when He does not come back down to earth.
There is no rapture.
Chapter 17: The Rapture Theory - Its Surprising Origin
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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The writer of that article doesn't know what he's talking about. While the word 'rapture' is not found in the Bible, at least not in an English Bible, it is found in the Latin Bible where the word 'rapiemur' translates the Greek word ἁρπάζω - harpazó in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
1 Thess. 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Here is 1 Thess. 1:17 in Latin.
1 Thess. 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur *** illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper *** Domino erimus [Latin: Biblia Sacra Vulgata]
The asterisks are because the auto checker doesn't like the word 'c um.' Which is why I put a space between the 'c' and the 'u.'

harpazó --> rapiemur --> rapture = 'caught up.'

The event in which the church is caught up is what we call the rapture. To therefore claim that there is no rapture is either to not understand that the term 'rapture' refers to the event in 1 Thess. 4:17, or to simply not believe what Paul says.

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