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If the Trinity Theory is correct, then the words of God are not true; however the Word of God is true and accurate so consider this.
Jesus came to earth a man, he was born a man, a perfect man but a man none-the-less. The Bible says that 'No man has seen God and lived'. To start with Jehovah is invisible to mankind, his works and his attributes can be seen and understood but man has not made visible contact with the Almighty.
So, If Jesus was 'God' and Jesus was man, he would not be able to see himself, not did he claim to see His Father whilst he was a mortal man, he did, however, refer to his heavenly Father many times in the second person, as someone that was not H himself (Jesus) but the Almighty Spirit Being and Creator of all things.
The angels see God as t hey are invisible spirit creatures too, and so too will those resurrected to the heavenly realm to act as Kings and Priests in Jehovah's Heavenly Kingdom, now ruling over the earth.
Jesus came to earth as the only begotten son of God and the incarnation of Father God who could not come to earth in His essence as He tried this with the ark of the covenant with Moses , but God only got a religion , were God needed to abide on His children who would be eternally redeemed , So Jesus came to be the redeemer so God spirit could abide on His children ............... So if you have not received the comformer Spirit of God on your space by being born again with repentance and baptized in the Holy Spirit , then you have not received the promise and your sin are not forgiven , so you need to seek the face of God and receive the promise of Jesus redemption .............. See Jesus was born of a virgin , and the virgin seed was not involved as Jesus is the only begotten son of God , and no where does it say that Jesus was born of the virgin only begotten son ...... See Jesus became the redeemer and the judgment for all man and women , where Jesus the spirit of God who is the comforter to abide on the children of God to help them and to protect their souls from being lost to hell ....... See the trinity is indeed the only true dogma of the living God through Jesus Christ , were the doctrine of man by JW have got it wrong , and would be a form of godliness but have No power ....
If the Trinity Theory is correct, then the words of God are not true; however the Word of God is true and accurate so consider this.
Jesus came to earth a man, he was born a man, a perfect man but a man none-the-less. The Bible says that 'No man has seen God and lived'. To start with Jehovah is invisible to mankind, his works and his attributes can be seen and understood but man has not made visible contact with the Almighty.
So, If Jesus was 'God' and Jesus was man, he would not be able to see himself, not did he claim to see His Father whilst he was a mortal man, he did, however, refer to his heavenly Father many times in the second person, as someone that was not H himself (Jesus) but the Almighty Spirit Being and Creator of all things.
The angels see God as t hey are invisible spirit creatures too, and so too will those resurrected to the heavenly realm to act as Kings and Priests in Jehovah's Heavenly Kingdom, now ruling over the earth.
no, you are being to literal. Mind, body, spirit is a good way to break down and work with people to help them improve themselves. God, the son, and holy spirit is just a metaphor for the link between humans, their emotions, and others around them (or the universe).
Breaking things down to three sides and angles just helps us to make something to complex more manageable. It just works.
If the Trinity Theory is correct, then the words of God are not true; however the Word of God is true and accurate so consider this.
Jesus came to earth a man, he was born a man, a perfect man but a man none-the-less. The Bible says that 'No man has seen God and lived'. To start with Jehovah is invisible to mankind, his works and his attributes can be seen and understood but man has not made visible contact with the Almighty.
So, If Jesus was 'God' and Jesus was man, he would not be able to see himself, not did he claim to see His Father whilst he was a mortal man, he did, however, refer to his heavenly Father many times in the second person, as someone that was not H himself (Jesus) but the Almighty Spirit Being and Creator of all things.
The angels see God as t hey are invisible spirit creatures too, and so too will those resurrected to the heavenly realm to act as Kings and Priests in Jehovah's Heavenly Kingdom, now ruling over the earth.
Jesus - being not from Adam - is not included in the criteria. He existed before He came to earth. He is the fullness of deity. He was not a mortal man.
If the Trinity Theory is correct, then the words of God are not true; however the Word of God is true and accurate so consider this.
Jesus came to earth a man, he was born a man, a perfect man but a man none-the-less. The Bible says that 'No man has seen God and lived'. To start with Jehovah is invisible to mankind, his works and his attributes can be seen and understood but man has not made visible contact with the Almighty.
So, If Jesus was 'God' and Jesus was man, he would not be able to see himself, not did he claim to see His Father whilst he was a mortal man, he did, however, refer to his heavenly Father many times in the second person, as someone that was not H himself (Jesus) but the Almighty Spirit Being and Creator of all things.
The angels see God as t hey are invisible spirit creatures too, and so too will those resurrected to the heavenly realm to act as Kings and Priests in Jehovah's Heavenly Kingdom, now ruling over the earth.
The word 'trinity', from the Latin 'trinitas' simply refers to a group of three closely related persons or things. While the word Trinity is not found in the Bible, the concept that God is a Triune Being certainly is. For instance, John 1:1 shows two Persons of the Trinity; the Father, and the Word which is the pre-incarnate Jesus. The Holy Spirit is called God in Acts 5:3-4. The term 'Trinity' simply means that the three Persons; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit comprise one God.
The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are each clearly called God. The three are distinct Persons within the Trinity. The fact that the pre-incarnate Word is distinct from the Father is clear in John 1:1, while the fact that the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father is clear in Romans 8:26-27 where it is said that the Father (He) knows the mind of the Spirit, and also that the Spirit intercedes for the saints. Two things are stated here. That the Holy Spirit has a mind which the Father knows, and that the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints. The fact that the Holy Spirit is said to have a mind which the Father knows establishes His Personhood and that He is distinct from the Father. He intercedes with the Father on behalf of the Saints. That the Holy Spirit is distinct from the pre-incarnate Word (Jesus in His humanity) is made clear in John 15:26 and 16:13-15.
Jesus is the Person of the Trinity that did the actual work of creation as is stated in John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Hebrews 1:10. Note also that in Hebrews 1:5-13 God the Father is addressing the Son and calling Him God, and stating that it is the Son who laid the foundation of the earth, and that the heavens are the works of His (the Son's) hands. Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoting Psalm 102:25-27 in which the Psalmist is praising God. The writer of Hebrews in quoting those verses has the Father speaking those words to the Son, which means that the writer of Hebrews understood Jesus to be God.
As for Exodus 33:20 ''No man can see Me (God) and live,'' God told Moses that he couldn't see His face, but He did allow Moses to in some sense experience His glory by having Moses stand in the cleft of a rock, and covering him as He passed by.
However, God did also appear in human form in the Old Testament, such as when He appeared to Abraham as in Genesis 18. Three 'men' came to Abraham. Two of them were angels, but one of them was God Himself in human form. Since no man has seen the Father, this could only have been a Christophany, a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus.
The fact that the one true God exists as three 'Persons' is brought out by comparing all the pertinent passages in which while God is said to be one, yet the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all said to be God. The technical term 'Trinity' which was eventually coined, simply recognizes this fact.
no, you are being to literal. Mind, body, spirit is a good way to break down and work with people to help them improve themselves. God, the son, and holy spirit is just a metaphor for the link between humans, their emotions, and others around them (or the universe).
Breaking things down to three sides and angles just helps us to make something to complex more manageable. It just works.
nice, i think you are the winner here so far. i forget the three domains; ecumenical, political, and...something else.
I just watched a podcast about the Trinity (the Divine Dance) yesterday with Richard Rohr and Wm. Paul Young. I don't know if it's still available to watch, but even as a heathen I found their thoughts on the Trinity very compelling in a lot of ways. They take the concept beyond the literal understanding which Christians quibble over, into a depth of understanding that makes the quibbling essentially unnecessary.
I just watched a podcast about the Trinity (the Divine Dance) yesterday with Richard Rohr and Wm. Paul Young. I don't know if it's still available to watch, but even as a heathen I found their thoughts on the Trinity very compelling in a lot of ways. They take the concept beyond the literal understanding which Christians quibble over, into a depth of understanding that makes the quibbling essentially unnecessary.
The podcast is still available to watch through Nov. 7th, but apparently you have to give your name and email to receive information on how to access it, which I don't want to do. But I think I'll order the book.
But yes, perichoresis, the divine dance is an ancient doctrine which views the Trinity as the mutual interpenetration or indwelling of each of the three Persons of the Trinity with each other to the extent that the three Persons do not have separate existence, but are one Being. And if you stop and think about it, the fact that God is love means that God has had to have something to love. Before anything was created, there was only God, and so each Person of the Trinity directed His love toward the other two Persons of the Godhead.
I just watched a podcast about the Trinity (the Divine Dance) yesterday with Richard Rohr and Wm. Paul Young. I don't know if it's still available to watch, but even as a heathen I found their thoughts on the Trinity very compelling in a lot of ways. They take the concept beyond the literal understanding which Christians quibble over, into a depth of understanding that makes the quibbling essentially unnecessary.
Too bad it is not available now, it sounds interesting, but the bolded is true in any case. Views about the nature of the relationship among Father Son and Holy Spirit are NOT a salvation requirement or in any part essential to walking in the Way.
Too bad it is not available now, it sounds interesting, but the bolded is true in any case. Views about the nature of the relationship among Father Son and Holy Spirit are NOT a salvation requirement or in any part essential to walking in the Way.
You don't often hear Trinitarians who think that way, though, so coming across these two delving into the spiritual implications of the concept of "Trinity" without bowing down to the usual literal rhetoric was, for me, a rare find.
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