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If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
When I attended the 7th-Day Adventist Church a few years ago I must admit that they certainly went out of their way to make the Sabbath 'a delight'. No one twisted anyone's arm, but for those who chose to attend it might start out with a program Friday sunset for a mini-service of sorts at a designated location to sing a few songs. A church meet on Saturday morning was often followed by a pot-lunch and socializing with friends and visitors. Then, perhaps a visit to a local care facility in the afternoon to sing for the residents, or a similar social gathering at the local park to play and sing. Finally, Saturday sunset might finish up with a short program to close the Sabbath. Other individuals might design their own personal 'Sabbath time'. There was no hard and fast rule as to what anyone should do but it was always recommended that members make the weekly 24-hour period a happy one.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
God's moral laws are still in effect.
Also the Sabbath is a reminder or who sanctified us(Ex 31:13) and who set us free from bondage(Deut 5:15), and we don't have to work for what God has done for us.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Yea, if that commandment isn't valid anymore then the others aren't either...
Does it not say similar things about circumcision. Then Paul says that circumcision is not necessary because sacrificing the Messiah is the greatest sacrifice (even though it wasn't a willing sacrifice, let alone a permanent one, from anyone except Judas the zealot and Jesus).
Well while you're pondering how lost you will be if you try to keep the law, which Jesus nailed to the cross and no longer applies today, you can also start figuring out how you will keep the 612 other laws the JEWS came up with.........
ALL are saved by grace today.......no other way.....faith plus nothing.........
Jesus never nailed the law to the cross. If he did we can pretty much do as we please now, since there are zero commands to follow. We have grace, because we break the laws of God(Those that still apply) and this where the blood of Christ covers our sins when we repent.
Jesus never nailed the law to the cross. If he did we can pretty much do as we please now, since there are zero commands to follow. We have grace, because we break the laws of God(Those that still apply) and this where the blood of Christ covers our sins when we repent.
And the common failure to apply common sense concerning the difference between law and governing principle rears its ugly head again.
Failure of a law to govern vicious action does not mean it is ok, it just means that those who practice such actions have no principle of concern for the well-being of others that is the heart of Jesus' message.
Jesus never nailed the law to the cross. If he did we can pretty much do as we please now, since there are zero commands to follow. We have grace, because we break the laws of God(Those that still apply) and this where the blood of Christ covers our sins when we repent.
Does Paul say to repent from not circumcising your children?
Why would he, there is no command in the Torah that says you must be circumcised to be saved.
There is a command in Torah that you must observe Sabbath to be saved?
"The commandment to circumcise male children was given to Abraham in the Torah (Genesis 17:714 and repeated in Leviticus 12:3)" Jewish Virtual Library)
What is the difference between this commandment: "3On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised" and …8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9"Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
Just as Paul showed that physical circumcision was not a requirement imposed on Christians, but the dedication it symbolized was, the Sabbath form is not a requirement, but the rest in God's love experienced by Christians which Sabbath symbolizes is. "This Day" is our rest in God's love.
Feel free to ask Jesus what He was talking about in Matthew 12th chapter.
Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Okay. Jesus gave two examples of how people in the O.T. had defiled the sabbath day but were blameless. Why? Because they were in the Temple.
Now Jesus began to testify that in this place where He was speaking to them which was out in the fields where His disciples were plucking ears of corn on the sabbath day, there is one greater than the temple.
Who was he? Jesus. What does He have to do with being justified for not keeping the sabbath day? Everything.
The saints in the O.T. were blameless for defiling the sabbath day because they were in the Temple; and so now in the N.T., we can see how we are blameless in Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
This is why in Matthew 12:8 is how Jesus is Lord even of the sabbath day that we are not under the commandment to keep the sabbath day for our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ is in us. The O.T. saints were in the Temple and were blameless; and we are in Christ and are blameless.
More scripture for this truth;
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
So no matter how clever any "preacher" is, if any one believes they have to keep the sabbath day holy, then they are denying that they are saved in Christ for His righteousness alone is bringing us Home.
So if any one wants to honor Christ on the sabbath day, do it as one acknowledging that you do not have to because you are His, but do not think you can keep the sabbath day holy; that would be looking to yourself to keeping a commandment that was against us as under the Old Covenant.
There is a command in Torah that you must observe Sabbath to be saved?
"The commandment to circumcise male children was given to Abraham in the Torah (Genesis 17:714 and repeated in Leviticus 12:3)" Jewish Virtual Library)
What is the difference between this commandment: "3On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised" and …8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9"Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
Just as Paul showed that physical circumcision was not a requirement imposed on Christians, but the dedication it symbolized was, the Sabbath form is not a requirement, but the rest in God's love experienced by Christians which Sabbath symbolizes is. "This Day" is our rest in God's love.
According to the bolded part, God blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. And, it was made 'holy' as a (permanent?) commemoration of the completion of Creation and was to be held by believers whether they be Jew or Gentile. Because one is a Gentile would not, by virtue, make 'unholy' a specific day that was made 'holy' at Creation.
The 4th-command had/has nothing to do with Jesus. It seems to me that Paul is being given too much authority by most Christians when he can (as they interpret Paul's letters anyway) over-ride previous commands given by God. Paul believed that these commands came from God and, with regard to the Sabbath anyway, he customarily kept that day to meet in the temple and, indeed, to preach to the Gentiles. There was nothing wrong with a 'Sabbath-rest'. There was nothing legalistic about a 'Sabbath-rest'. The 'Sabbath-rest' was to be a delight, not a burden. There was no reason for anyone to abolish the 'Sabbath-rest'. There was especially no reason to abolish the 'Sabbath-rest' only to replace it with another day ...Sunday.
And yet, the 'Sabbath-rest' was abolished. Sunday was installed in its place and became 'the Sabbath-rest' of most of Christendom. But, certainly not by the authorization of the one who initiated the 'Sabbath-rest' in the first place.
So the essential difference between the "commands" is what YOU read into the one you wish to enforce on others
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