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For some reason, you seem to need to believe that not everyone is saved by what Jesus did and a litany other magical theology about Jesus and the future. I do NOT. I believe that Jesus saved us all from permanent separation from God and that we only need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't to gain the cover of His perfect love (Grace) for our imperfections.
What Jesus did (in which you do not believe - His physical death and resurrection) removed the barrier that formerly prevented people from being reconciled to Christ.
Now people have free access to choose salvation through belief in Jesus Christ - which includes His physical death and physical resurrection.
What Jesus did (in which you do not believe - His physical death and resurrection) removed the barrier that formerly prevented people from being reconciled to Christ.
Now people have free access to choose salvation through belief in Jesus Christ - which includes His physical death and physical resurrection.
I find according to Matthew 24:13 we are Not saved here and now because we are to 'endure to the end' in order to be saved.
( endure to the end of one's life, or endure faithful until the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33,37 )
We are in a saved condition as long as we express faith as Jesus did, but like the people of Hebrews 6:4-6 we can fall away.
Anyone who commits the unforgivable sin (Matt. 12:32) will Not be forgiven now or in the world ( Jesus'1,000-year reign over Earth) to come.
I have very good news for you......there is only one thing that can destroy eternal life and that is sin held against you, since Christ took away the sins of the world at the cross there is nothing that can destroy you once you truly believe. Here we see in Ephesians we are sealed for the day of redemption, a Roman term that once imprinted with the signet ring meant the deal was unbreakable by anybody.......they would seal it in wax.
Eph 4:30* And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.*
We see assurance in Romans as well............Jesus will never let us go once we believe......
Rom 8:38* For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,*
Rom 8:39* nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.*
Our security is NOT based on what we do but on what Christ has ALREADY done......HE completed everything needed at the cross and nothing can be added to it.......so it is His work that keeps us......
Last point.........God could never call it ETERNAL life if it was temporary or could be taken away.....eternal means what it says........for all those who believe the gospel of grace it is a one time permanent deal......
Believe what it says in 1Cor 15:1-4 by faith and live with Jesus forever......starting TODAY
Jesus' blood covers all according to 1 John 1:7 but because Not all will accept Jesus so that is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all. Yes, 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed) - 2nd Peter 3:9
We need to endure to the end in order to be saved according to Jesus' words at Matthew 24:13.
Either endure to one's death, or endure to the coming separating time of Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Those humble figurative 'sheep' will be 'saved/ delivered/ rescued' through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
Saved alive right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins.
4:4......you do realize every verse you quote here is to the JEWS under the law during Temple worship don't you?
We are not under law but under the free gift of grace today......
Rom 6:14* For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
The bold is the fault of the "save yourself" doctrine of the mainstream churches. They say out of one side of their mouth that Jesus and ONLY Jesus saved us. Then they say out of the other side that we must save ourselves by believing the right things and accepting Jesus as our Savior. Either Jesus saved us, as I believe, or He didn't. We have nothing to do with it. Our only job is to achieve sanctification under His perfect agape love (Grace) for us all by loving God and each other every day and repenting when we don't. Salvation is NOT our problem, sanctification for our imperfections IS.
God does the magic of salvation, and it's true Jesus died for the sins of the whole world even those who are enemies of the cross. But we must appropriate that salvation through FAITH.......it's like a bank in LA calling and saying they have a cool million in gold waiting for you in a safe deposit box. YOU have to appropriate it and make the move to LA to get it........same thing with salvation, all are called not all respond to the free gift. Universal salvation is not valid in any case........Jesus wants those who want to be with Him and understand what He did at that cross......they will know who He is really.......it is not universal or else Revelations vivid description of the Great White Throne is a joke........the ones who reject the gift will be thrown in the lake of fire.....they will be granted their wish to be separated from God....
UNBELIEF will keep those in doubt from coming to Christ and it is the root cause of all sin. Jesus desires ALL to be saved and He died to remove any barrier to salvation......and our strong message is be RECONCILED to Christ today for Jew and Gentile are saved by the same gospel of grace.....
Mat_13:58* And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.
Heb_3:19* So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
What Jesus did (in which you do not believe - His physical death and resurrection) removed the barrier that formerly prevented people from being reconciled to Christ.
Now people have free access to choose salvation through belief in Jesus Christ - which includes His physical death and physical resurrection.
Salvation is not a choice. Jesus saved us, period. There was no barrier. We failed to overcome our innate animal drives of survival driven by an indiscriminate pleasure and pain principle. If it was pleasurable we sought it and if it was painful we avoided it regardless of its impact on others. Jesus overcame those drives out of perfect agape love for us ALL, including His torturers and murderers because they knew not what they did. You misrepresent my beliefs when you say I do not believe His physical death and resurrection. The only part I reject is a physical resurrection. It is a spiritual resurrection in a spiritual body as described in 1 Cor 15 in some detail. The problem was our ancestors were terrified of Spirits so they needed the "carnal milk" of a physical resurrection.
I have very good news for you...
Eph 4:30* And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.*
Rom 8:38* For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,*
Rom 8:39* nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.*
Our security is NOT based on what we do but on what Christ has ALREADY done...
... live with Jesus forever......starting TODAY
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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
4:4......you do realize every verse you quote here is to the JEWS under the law during Temple worship don't you?
We are not under law but under the free gift of grace today......
Rom 6:14* For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
God does ... salvation, ... Jesus died for the sins of ...
all are called not all respond to ... what He did at that cross.....
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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
UNBELIEF will keep those in doubt from coming to Christ and it is the root cause of all sin. Jesus desires ALL to be saved and He died to remove any barrier to salvation......and our strong message is be RECONCILED to Christ today for Jew and Gentile are saved by the same gospel of grace.....
Mat_13:58* And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.
Heb_3:19* So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
Thank You. You sure saved me a lot of typing
that I was thinking of doing, as I read this thread.
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