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Old 01-12-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Wrong, Jimmie. Your determination of what is scripture inspired by God according to Jesus is what is dismissed because you do not test it against the Holy Spirit as described in detail and demonstrated by Jesus.
According to Jesus? LOL! You don’t believe half of what Jesus said, even cutting Him off mid-sentence!
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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If I were the source of the righteousness, your statement would make sense. But I'm not. Nothing I do makes me righteous, I do not make myself righteous. It is ONLY Jesus that makes people righteous.
Jesus never said anything close to that. Jesus was all about works. He said He was sent to testify the truth and deliver the good news to the people while doing God's will. Then He sent His followers as He was sent. Those He sent originally failed and there are many who follow them to their own destruction.

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"The reason I was born and the reason I came into the world is to testify the truth."

" I must go and proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the surrounding cities for this is why I was sent. "

"I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of Him who sent me."


Jesus said that the righteous would dwell in the kingdom of their Father. He never said that what He did made anyone righteous. He said to follow Him and use His words.

Scripture is clear that no one can make another righteous. It is Paul who has polluted and muddied the word of God.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:16 PM
 
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Jesus never said anything close to that. Jesus was all about works. He said He was sent to testify the truth and deliver the good news to the people while doing God's will. Then He sent His followers as He was sent. Those He sent originally failed and there are many who follow them to their own destruction.

Reference;

"The reason I was born and the reason I came into the world is to testify the truth."

" I must go and proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the surrounding cities for this is why I was sent. "

"I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of Him who sent me."


Jesus said that the righteous would dwell in the kingdom of their Father. He never said that what He did made anyone righteous. He said to follow Him and use His words.

Scripture is clear that no one can make another righteous. It is Paul who has polluted and muddied the word of God.
Hmmm...are you sure?

Matt. 26:28

“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” -Jesus

Isaiah 53:5

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24

"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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Hmmm...are you sure?

Matt. 26:28

“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” -Jesus

Isaiah 53:5

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24

"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."
All those verse must agree, so the understanding cannot be gained from select verses.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Christ's righteousness is not imputed or transferred, and you ain't getting a free "piggyback" ride.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:04 PM
 
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Hmmm...are you sure?

Matt. 26:28

“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” -Jesus

Isaiah 53:5

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24

"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."
Peter failed and did not understand.

The blood is honest blood, the flesh is true food. One must eat and drink.

The wounds must become your wounds.

He said to follow Him. You cannot follow if you believe as you do.

You misunderstand because you fail to accept and keep His commandments His WORDS.

One cannot live except by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

" Man does not live by bread alone but by every word from the mouth of God.

The man who comes to me hears my word and uses it.

My brother's mother and sisters hear the word of God and do it.

The words of the upright save them but the speech of the wicked is a deadly ambush".
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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From the Bible:

9. Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

10. nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of
God. (1 Kor. 6)


So God is calling us to the path of righteousness, but if we are not in the path righteousness, we do not hear his call, because of the many temptations of this world, and our own flesh which fill our hearts.

We can not live in those sins and survive, it's a self-deception if we try, and it may give some hope for now, but not in the end when the truth only matters.
There is a difference between sinning and being a slave to sin. The difference is the saved versus the unsaved.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Sounds just a wee bit self-righteous huh?

Personally, I will take FORGIVENESS and GRACE over RIGHTEOUSNESS everyday of the month.
He said he is righteous thru the righteousness of Christ. It isn't SELF RIGHTEOUS but RIGHTEOUS Thru Christ This is the complete opposite of self righteousness

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Old 01-12-2018, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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I did NOT say that. I referred to them as Christians. Go back and look. And yes, many Christians here dismiss large chunks of the Bible. The OT is a prime example. Paul’s letters also. Even Peter, who walked with Jesus.
then they are not Christians but imposters.

Just as most who claim to be Disciples of Christ in the bible, very few actually were.
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Old 01-12-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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From the Bible:

9. Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

10. nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of
God. (1 Kor. 6)


So God is calling us to the path of righteousness, but if we are not in the path righteousness, we do not hear his call, because of the many temptations of this world, and our own flesh which fill our hearts.

We can not live in those sins and survive, it's a self-deception if we try, and it may give some hope for now, but not in the end when the truth only matters.
But then remember Paul came and turn the message of Jesus on its head and made path to Kingdom based on believe and not works.

So now, all you need to do is believe in Jesus to be your savior, and boom! And done and dusted. Kingdom is guaranteed !!

If I was alive in the days of Paul, I would ask him, "Why don't you now commit suicide and go straight to heaven if it's guaranteed based on faith alone?"

I may be wrong but I think some Christians believe that since heaven is now guaranteed based on faith only, so it's not too bad to be drunk and fornicate and do all those sins because, Jesus has already died for their sins. lol
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