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The lying evangelical Fathers took what Jesus was saying here and turned it into a message of sheep being christians and goats being unbelievers who are damned to eternal punishment. Basically you better become a sheep cause look what happens to the goats. What i find most amusing is all the fundamentalist evangelicals making a song and dance about it all being about faith and here in Matt 25 Jesus is cleary doing the separating by good works and lack of them.
Is it any wonder you come across fearful
Jesus "knows his sheep" is used to separate themselves from the half-baked believers, or heretics.
They are very literal in everything they say and interpret.
Just like the "call no man Father" quote, which they use to decry a Catholic's references to Priests as Father.
Last comment, Faith alone means they are totally unfearful as they cannot lose their salvation.
Work, is the key word there. More importantly, the works of the believer.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him"
I do not follow the rewards and punishment theology of men.
Work, is the key word there. More importantly, the works of the believer.
"And without faith, it is impossible to please God because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him"
IF God wanted to limit the works to the works of the believer, He would have said so. YOU insert that qualifier, NOT God. God did not create us so we could be rewarded for believing and seeking Him. Humans seek rewards. God just loves us and wants us to love Him and each other, period. All the concern about seeking rewards and avoiding punishments are of human origin.
This is true, but you twist my words dishonestly. It is an unbecoming habit that reflects poorly on the ability of you and other evangelicals who do this to hold a discussion based on what people actually say.
What I said was that ones approach to interpreting scripture depends on ones view of God. The position of the UR folks is that God is too powerful and too loving to allow people to suffer eternal torment in hell, since God has stated He desires to save all men. Strangely , they are mocked and demeaned for believing in such a powerful and loving version of God. Your belief is that God will not get His way. Your reasons for why this is so are irrelevant, either God will save all men as He said He desires ,or He wont . Your view is that He wont.
IF God wanted to limit the works to the works of the believer, He would have said so. YOU insert that qualifier, NOT God. God did not create us so we could be rewarded for believing and seeking Him. Humans seek rewards. God just loves us and wants us to love Him and each other, period. All the concern about seeking rewards and avoiding punishments are of human origin.
God set before all--Deut 30:19--- LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting. 1John 3 looks bad for this earth. God is not fooling around. Jesus said FEW will find the road--This is why-2Cor 11:12-15, 2Cor 4:4
You seem to have a habit of thinking people test your words no matter what they say. Weak.
That you twisted my words is easy for all to see, so the only weak thing is your attempted dodge of doing so. You cannot show that I said Gods intentions depended on your view of scripture. If you want to claim you can, please quote the relevant post and highlight it.
You should seriously think on why you have to do things like this to craft rebuttals.
This is true, but you twist my words dishonestly. It is an unbecoming habit that reflects poorly on the ability of you and other evangelicals who do this to hold a discussion based on what people actually say.
What I said was that ones approach to interpreting scripture depends on one's view of God. The position of the UR folks is that God is too powerful and too loving to allow people to suffer eternal torment in hell since God has stated He desires to save all men. Strangely, they are mocked and demeaned for believing in such a powerful and loving version of God. Your belief is that God will not get His way. Your reasons for why this is so are irrelevant, either God will save all men as He said He desires, or He won't. Your view is that He won't.
Amen!
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