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Old 04-15-2018, 05:29 AM
 
Location: New England
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But, the Devil wasn't there...It was a serpent, the cleverest beast of all the beast of the field that G-d had made...
He's all the same to christians.


And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil.
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Old 04-15-2018, 05:39 AM
 
Location: US
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He's all the same to Christians.
Indeed...


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And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil.
Yea, after the fact...
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:47 AM
 
Location: USA
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Twin, How do you love someone who is capable of doing to the majority of humanity what you believe God is going to do? I’d really like to know. Or don’t you love God?
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Can't be anything other than God doing to them what he thinks they deserve. Fundies are very forgiving and merciful.(mind boggling)
I know they think people deserve it. But, my question stands, how do you (what makes it possible for you to) love a Being that you believe is capable of doing that to your fellow human beings whom, ostensibly, you also love?

And actually, how do you understand what it means to love others when your ultimate example (you are to be like your “heavenly Father”) of “loving” them is a Being who will do such a thing?

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Old 04-15-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: New England
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I know they think people deserve it. But, my question stands, how do you (what makes it possible for you to) love a Being that you believe is capable of doing that to your fellow human beings whom, ostensibly, you also love?
Because they think they deserve it they have no problem with a God that would do such a thing. It really is mind boggling that intelligent human beings can be accepting of this.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Townsville
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Because they think they deserve it they have no problem with a God that would do such a thing. It really is mind boggling that intelligent human beings can be accepting of this.
This is what also mystifies me. It defies logic.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Did my mom put you up to that? So what is the truth as you see it? If you don't want to be misrepresented you're going to have to tell people what you believe.
I did. Satan is real, and unbelievers will be eternally separated from God.

There is no need for you to represent my views in any way, just represent your own.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: New England
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This is what also mystifies me. It defies logic.
It is most certainly rooted in fear, and to disagree about the destiny for all so called sinners, is disagreeing with God in the minds of those that are convinced of eternal hell, and they daren't do that, because how dare they being worms in their own minds in the eyes of an almighty God question it(It's got to be an it, no Spirit or human would do such a thing).
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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According to the fundamentalists, this is the fate of all the Muslims, Hindus, Jews, any number of Christian sects who do not properly believe in their interpretation of scripture, agnostics, atheists, and I suppose it would have to include all who were born before Jesus came into the world. Wow, doesn't this just draw you with the chords of love? And they want to force women to have children against their will even in cases of rape! Who would risk having children if this might be their ultimate fate? Wouldn't it be selfish to have children in this case?
Whoever tells you these things is lying to you. Don't be so gullible.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:09 AM
 
Location: New England
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I did. Satan is real, and unbelievers will be eternally separated from God.
The matter of factness of this statement i can't help but think what god it is you believe in, there is not an ounce of feeling in the statement. You can't even package it in God continually reaching out in love, mercy and forgiveness until one breathes their last.

In John 3:16 there is 1 word that not only speaks of God's love but makes that love far greater than we can imagine, that 1 word is SO. This world is SO Loved of God and you are militant about eternal hell?, do you not see what this says about yourself and the god you believe in that resembles nothing like the God of John 3:16.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: USA
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I know they think people deserve it. But, my question stands, how do you (what makes it possible for you to) love a Being that you believe is capable of doing that to your fellow human beings whom, ostensibly, you also love?

And actually, how do you understand what it means to love others when your ultimate example (you are to be like your “heavenly Father”) of “loving” them is a Being who will do such a thing?
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Because they think they deserve it they have no problem with a God that would do such a thing. It really is mind boggling that intelligent human beings can be accepting of this.
Yes, they have no problem with it, but HOW does one LOVE such a being? And the second question, too? How do you LOVE other people when your goal is to emulate a Being that would consign the majority of them to eternal torment?
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