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In this passage in Colossians 1, Paul makes a lot of claims about who and what Jesus is. My question is, how would he know any of this? How does the reader confirm that each word is true and not edited later? Especially regarding things working in some allegedly supernatural realm.
My view is that he wouldn't know these supernatural things. To me, a lot of what Paul is writing sounds like "damage control". Some of it was explicitly that. But some of it was more vague. He was very aware of the negative image people would have had of him at that time, after being a well known persecutor of Christians in the recent past. So it sounds like he is just giving Jesus a lot of praise in order to convince people that he was one of them now.
But Christians today take that *praise* and turn it into dogma, as if it were something to be understood literally.
What do you think?
God told all of the writers of the Bible what to say. It is called "God breathed." I think the bigger question is how do you know God did not tell Paul? Do you think he is lying?
God told all of the writers of the Bible what to say. It is called "God breathed." I think the bigger question is how do you know God did not tell Paul? Do you think he is lying?
Sorry. But I don't think the recipients of his letters would have bought into the idea that he was being that specific in his knowledge. The kind of knowledge that fundamentalists would project on his letters. It's just not plausible.
11 trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. EVEN ANGELS LONG TO LOOK INTO THESE THINGS.
13 Therefore prepare your minds for action. Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.…
Except for that whole Road to Damascus thing. And the 3 years he spent under Jesus' direct tutelage.
So you agree with Saul/Paul that it's ok to lie to "further Gods glory"?
Saul/Paul never met Jesus.
Why did the Rabbis own students feel the need to call him out as a 'FALSE APOSTLE'?
The R to D sounds more like he had been eating magic mushrooms than an actual experience.
Saul/Paul was a traitor to his own people who worked for the Romans. Why would God choose to appear before a grub while ignoring the Rabbis students?
So you agree with Saul/Paul that it's ok to lie to "further Gods glory"?
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This statement in itself is a lie: Paul never said it was ok to lie, he only said that in order to speak to Jews he presented the gospel from the standpoint and understanding OF a Jew and the same for the standpoint and understanding of gentiles when talking to them.
The reference is 1 Cor 9:19Though I am free of obligation to anyone, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the Law I became like one under the Law (though I myself am not under the Law), to win those under the Law. 21To those without the Law I became like one without the Law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the Law. Berean Study Bible
This statement in itself is a lie: Paul never said it was ok to lie, he only said that in order to speak to Jews he presented the gospel from the standpoint and understanding OF a Jew and the same for the standpoint and understanding of gentiles when talking to them.
The reference is 1 Cor 9:19Though I am free of obligation to anyone, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the Law I became like one under the Law (though I myself am not under the Law), to win those under the Law. 21To those without the Law I became like one without the Law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the Law. Berean Study Bible
No, Paul was recognizing that different groups have different backgrounds and different bases for judgement. Part of the problem people seem to have with Paul is that he recognized that Jesus' message wasn't ABOUT religion and they don't.
No, Paul was recognizing that different groups have different backgrounds and different bases for judgement. Part of the problem people seem to have with Paul is that he recognized that Jesus' message wasn't ABOUT religion and they don't.
Ahh, I get it, thanks, so, he was being deceptive...
I think the word you are looking for is "ingenuous," which is what you are being.
Nah, I am being sarcastic...There's a difference...
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