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Old 07-28-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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Many of the early Christians might not have even liked Paul. They might have been more associated with Peter or James, etc. But Paul was so aggressive and well-known, they tolerated him.

They might have taken his letters with a grain of salt.
Are you getting Paul and Saul mixed up?

Paul was a very gentle man. All of us are not gentle 100% of the time but he came darn close.
Coming in peace, wishing peace on the churches... and giving thanks for them.
Far from aggressive. Unless someone is already hostile, to see aggression in Paul is pretty much impossible.

Saul, well that's another story. He was aggressive
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Galatians 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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Galatians 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
That same spirit is something that ALL people have access to. He didn't have special access, as if no one else could experience what he did. All people have that "Christ in you" spirit that Paul spoke of.
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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So, Paul was being deceptive...
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Old 07-28-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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"Jaundiced ideas"? Lol.
You suffer from cognitive dissonance & confirmation bias. You NEED the Bible to be true or else, if you accept just one flaw in your nonsensical contradictory doctrine, your whole house of cards collapses. I'm not attached or held down by dogma nor any particular doctrine so I'm free to see things for how they are.

Saul/Paul was the biggest bullsh*t artist from the entire NT. First we've got the road to Damascus silliness. Why on earth would the reanimated corpse of Jesus choose to appear before an immoral traitor to his own people?
It makes more sense that Saul/Paul freaked out on magic mushrooms & suffered a guilt induced hallucination.

You either don't know the Bible very well or your ignoring Saul/Pauls admission & justification for his deceit & lies. Romans 3:7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my LIE unto his glory: why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"
You can twist that to mean anything you like but it's clear that he's justifying his deceit.
The Rabbis own students called Saul/Paul a 'FALSE APOSTLE' & sent a group of men to sort him out.
That's WHY Saul/Paul fled to Greece where they loved a ripping good yarn about magical 'sons of Gods' with supernatural powers.
Yea, what LIE was that?...He never says...
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Old 07-28-2018, 09:34 PM
 
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Paul says


Galatians 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
So, why isn’t this Gospel that Paul preached not in print?...Where is it?...
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Old 07-28-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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So, why isn’t this Gospel that Paul preached not in print?...Where is it?...
It is within you as it was within Paul. Everything we need to know about what God requires of us is within us. The Comforter abides with each of us since Jesus died and was born again as Spirit. Every time we ignore what is good, decent, pure of intent, loving, compassionate, merciful, kind, truthful, and caring in order to indulge our selfish desires we are ignoring the Comforter sent in Christ's name to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts," period!
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Old 07-28-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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God told all of the writers of the Bible what to say. It is called "God breathed." I think the bigger question is how do you know God did not tell Paul? Do you think he is lying?
Really? So it was 'God' who kept changing his mind & why we have over 14,800 CHANGES between the first Bible & the KJV?

Yes, Saul/Paul thought it perfectly acceptable to lie to "further Gods glory" (Gee, God must be so proud)
In fact, if you were as intimate with your Bible as you like to pretend you are, you'd know that he said more than once that he just made stuff up, no-doubt to 'further Gods glory'.
Saul/Paul kept being called out as a liar - the Rabbis students themselves called him a "false apostle" - and he thought it was clever to deceive others.
2 Cor 12:16 "But be it so, I did not burden you: never the less, being crafty, I caught you with guile."
2 Cor 11:31 "The God & father of our Lord ...... knoweth that I lie not."
Gal 1:20 "I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie."
Phil 1:18 "What then? notwithstanding, EVERY WAY, whether in PRETENSE, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yay, and will rejoice." Wow.

There's many more, that I can't be bothered to type for you to willfully ignore, but Saul/Paul repeatedly says that it's acceptable to lie & deceive to 'further Gods glory'. Now I wont pretend like you Fundies that I know the mind of God, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that a 'God of perfection, without error' would be far from delighted to have people employing guile, deceit & flat out lying in His/Her name.

What do you think Omega? You pretend to know what God thinks; does God love a good bit of guile, deception & lies 'to further His(/Her) glory'?
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Old 07-28-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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Paul says


Galatians 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Gee, this bloke Saul/Paul couldn't help himself. If he lived today he'd be a televangelist preaching 'prosperity' sermons (Gimme your money)

2 Cor 8;8 "And herein I give my advice" (not the Lords)
1 Cor 7:25 "... I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give my judgement"
2 Cor 11:17 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting."

There's several more but it's clear that Saul/Paul thought he was special, that it was perfectly ok to lie for the Lord & often gave his own opinion (a polite way of saying that he just made stuff up)
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:06 PM
 
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That same spirit is something that ALL people have access to. He didn't have special access, as if no one else could experience what he did. All people have that "Christ in you" spirit that Paul spoke of.
Only Christians have this.

Christians are very rare on this earth.
They are the BEREANS who read scripture very carefully to sifer out the truth

You need a deep yearning for God's word to be able to just follow the holy spirits leading.
Paul states he was CHOSEN and his words are NOT from human orgin.
They are from Lord Jesus aka the Godhead for the purpose of fulfilling scripture.
That is a high accolade! One we have not been bestowed to be SENT OUT by JESUS and GOD THE FATHER to fulfill scripture!
You also asked about him wanting to please himself, or fulfil his own desires which as you can see from the last sentence of scripture
included, this is the exact opposite of what he is doing.
Scripture is TRUTH. At least for Christians



Cut & pasted again...
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters[a] with me,To the churches in Galatia:
3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
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