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Did you all forget about the admonition concerning it being like Noah's time? In Noah's time only the wicked left the earth. Blessings....
That's a reference to the second advent of Jesus when He returns at the end of the Tribulation. The pre-Tribulational rapture view is that the rapture of the church will take place before the Tribulation begins. These are two different events.
That's a reference to the second advent of Jesus when He returns at the end of the Tribulation. The pre-Tribulational rapture view is that the rapture of the church will take place before the Tribulation begins. These are two different events.
So for the pre-trib rapture He returns...sort of. He hovers a thousand feet from landing...beams up his saints...beams back up into heaven but returns exactly 7 years later and this time His feet touch ground and that's when everyone gets what they deserve. The JW's get ridiculed for less.
So for the pre-trib rapture He returns...sort of. He hovers a thousand feet from landing...beams up his saints...beams back up into heaven but returns exactly 7 years later and this time His feet touch ground and that's when everyone gets what they deserve. The JW's get ridiculed for less.
Actually, since the Tribulation won't begin immediately after the church is taken up to heaven - raptured, Jesus' return at the end of the Tribulation will be somewhat more than seven years later.
The rapture is Biblical. Paul writes about it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It should be noted as well that while the church is mentioned in Revelation chapters 2 and 3, it is not mentioned again between chapters 4 and 19 during which time the Tribulation is taking place on the earth, until 19:7 when the church, in heaven, and addressed as the bride is stated as having been made ready for the marriage of the Lamb.
Actually, since the Tribulation won't begin immediately after the church is taken up to heaven - raptured, Jesus' return at the end of the Tribulation will be somewhat more than seven years later.
The rapture is Biblical. Paul writes about it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It should be noted as well that while the church is mentioned in Revelation chapters 2 and 3, it is not mentioned again between chapters 4 and 19 during which time the Tribulation is taking place on the earth, until 19:7 when the church, in heaven, and addressed as the bride is stated as having been made ready for the marriage of the Lamb.
There is no 7 year tribulation. There is a tribulation and a great tribulation, but neither add up to 7 years.
Would you mind producing a scripture that says there is a 7 year tribulation.
There is no 7 year tribulation. There is a tribulation and a great tribulation, but neither add up to 7 years.
Would you mind producing a scripture that says there is a 7 year tribulation.
The Tribulation is the 70th week of Daniel's 70 weeks (of years) prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27). The first 69 weeks of the prophecy (the first 7 weeks plus the 62 weeks [Daniel 9:25]) were fulfilled just before Jesus was crucified. Daniel 9:26 refers to the Messiah being cut off. That's a prophecy of Jesus' death.
That leaves one week (of years), or seven years. Daniel's 70th week (the Tribulation) will begin when the 'prince who is to come' (Daniel 9:26) makes a 'firm covenant with the many for one week' (Daniel 9:27). He will break that covenant midway through the week - 3 1/2 years. That will be the middle of the 7 year Tribulational period. At that point, the antichrist - the prince who is to come - the man of lawlessness as Paul refers to him (2 Thessalonians chapter 2) will cause the abomination of desolation of which Daniel wrote (Daniel 9:27) and to which Jesus referred (Matthew 24:15).
At that point, those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains (Matthew 24:16) where they will be safe for the remaining 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation as per Revelation 12:6 which refers to the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness where God has prepared a place for her where she will be nourished for 'one thousand two hundred and sixty days.' That's 3 1/2 years - from the middle of the 70th week (the Tribulation), to its end. During that time, the antichrist or beast will have authority to act for forty-two months (another way of referring to 3 1/2 years).
The Tribulation then, which again, begins with the signing of a covenant with the many (a peace treaty with Israel) will last for seven years - Daniel's 70th week.
Last edited by Michael Way; 07-25-2018 at 04:21 PM..
The Tribulation is the 70th week of Daniel's 70 weeks (of years) prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27). The first 69 weeks of the prophecy (the first 7 weeks plus the 62 weeks [Daniel 9:25]) were fulfilled just before Jesus was crucified. Daniel 9:26 refers to the Messiah being cut off. That's a prophecy of Jesus' death.
That leaves one week (of years), or seven years. Daniel's 70th week (the Tribulation) will begin when the 'prince who is to come' (Daniel 9:26) makes a 'firm covenant with the many for one week' (Daniel 9:27). He will break that covenant midway through the week - 3 1/2 years. That will be the middle of the 7 year Tribulational period. At that point, the antichrist - the prince who is to come - the man of lawlessness as Paul refers to him (2 Thessalonians chapter 2) will cause the abomination of desolation of which Daniel wrote (Daniel 9:27) and to which Jesus referred (Matthew 24:15).
At that point, those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains (Matthew 24:16) where they will be safe for the remaining 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation as per Revelation 12:6 which refers to the woman (Israel) fleeing to the wilderness where God has prepared a place for her where she will be nourished for 'one thousand two hundred and sixty days.' That's 3 1/2 years - from the middle of the 70th week (the Tribulation), to its end. During that time, the antichrist or beast will have authority to act for forty-two months (another way of referring to 3 1/2 years).
The Tribulation then, which again, begins with the signing of a covenant with the many (a peace treaty with Israel) will last for seven years - Daniel's 70th week.
My friend, many believe that, but does it mean it's true? Who said the the 70th week of daniel should stop from the previous consecutive 69 weeks and then be punted 2000+ years into the future.
The last week of Daniel was fulfilled in Christ's time. There is a reason peter said that prophecy is not open to private interpretation. I'm not saying this is your interpretation, because the majority of Christianity believes this false interpretation.
Daniel 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
Jesus preached for 3 1/2 years, He also made a covenant with many, but he was cutoff during the middle of the week. At his death, being the perfect sacrifice(the lamb of God) he brought an end to sacrifice and offerings. The remainder of the 3 1/2 years was for the jews to believe in the messiah.
When that 7 year period ended then it was passed on to the gentiles and Paul was converted to preach the message. The branches of the olive tree were cutoff, which was most of Israel and the gentile branches were grafted in.(Romans 11)
You already have part of the answer, as you quoted rev 12:6, there is also (Rev 12:14, Rev 13:5 Rev 11:2-3 and Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7) all pointing to the same time period the 3 1/2 year tribulation.
After the 3 1/2 year tribulation follows the great tribulation(time of trouble) Daniel 12:1. The great tribulation is when God pours out his wrath, which is 1 year in length.(Isaiah 34:8, 63:4)
My friend, many believe that, but does it mean it's true? Who said the the 70th week of daniel should stop from the previous consecutive 69 weeks and then be punted 2000+ years into the future.
The last week of Daniel was fulfilled in Christ's time. There is a reason peter said that prophecy is not open to private interpretation. I'm not saying this is your interpretation, because the majority of Christianity believes this false interpretation.
Daniel 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
Jesus preached for 3 1/2 years, He also made a covenant with many, but he was cutoff during the middle of the week. At his death, being the perfect sacrifice(the lamb of God) he brought an end to sacrifice and offerings. The remainder of the 3 1/2 years was for the jews to believe in the messiah.
When that 7 year period ended then it was passed on to the gentiles and Paul was converted to preach the message. The branches of the olive tree were cutoff, which was most of Israel and the gentile branches were grafted in.(Romans 11)
You already have part of the answer, as you quoted rev 12:6, there is also (Rev 12:14, Rev 13:5 Rev 11:2-3 and Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7) all pointing to the same time period the 3 1/2 year tribulation.
After the 3 1/2 year tribulation follows the great tribulation(time of trouble) Daniel 12:1. The great tribulation is when God pours out his wrath, which is 1 year in length.(Isaiah 34:8, 63:4)
The last week of Daniel's prophecy was not fulfilled in Christ's time. Just as the first 69 weeks were periods of literal years, so is the 70th week a literal period of 7 years. Yet Daniel 9:26 has the temple and the city being destroyed before the 70th week. But that didn't happen until AD 70 which is some 37 to 40 years after Jesus was crucified.
And Jesus didn't make a covenant with the people which He then broke after 3 1/2 years. Nor did Jesus bring about the desolation of abomination spoken of in Daniel 9:27 and about which He warns in Matthew 24:15.
Daniel's 70th week - the Tribulation is still a future event.
And by the way, the animal sacrifices were continued by the unbelieving Jews right up until the temple was destroyed in AD 70.
Last edited by Michael Way; 07-25-2018 at 05:54 PM..
This is the second coming of Christ. The verse has nothing to do with a disappearance of Christians during the tribulation. And just because a Latin word is used here makes no difference. The entire theory is named after the word from this verse which does not mean a second coming before the second coming nor does this verse imply that Christians will not be on the earth during the Antichrist.
There is the resurrection of the dead which comes first. Then Christ returns and the believers are caught up in the air with Christ. This happens at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. So many Christians will be oppressed and mercilessly slaughtered by liberals and their muslim allies. The reign of the Antichrist is rising now as we speak.
This verse could also refer to the physical resurrection. That doesn’t mean anything about the “rapture.” Personally, I believe a careful reading of the Bible supports soul sleep, followed by physical resurrection, judgement, and then eternal life on a “better” earth, not a separate “souls flying around with the Lord” before our bodies get there, and then some sort of second rapture. The modern intrepretations of this, IMO, are just to make us feel good, that something happens immeadiately after death, rather than a long time of soul sleep.
My friend, many believe that, but does it mean it's true? Who said the the 70th week of daniel should stop from the previous consecutive 69 weeks and then be punted 2000+ years into the future.
What happens after Messiah comes to die for others in Daniel?
Just after Messiah comes, another Messiah comes where the whole world is fooled, ALMOST EVEN the elect are fooled.
This Anti-Christ came 100 years after Jesus with a 7 year covenant, and this is why that after you walk 3 and a half years in the covenant, you see the abomination in your own temple. The abomination of desolation is stood up in the temple, YOU.
The fake Anti-Christ lawless Gentile Jesus came not even a hundred years after Jesus died, and the whole world accepted a Babylonian, lawless, pagan Jesus just as the ten tribes had done.
So yes, Daniel is a righteous prophet who states things that come true.
The last week of Daniel's prophecy was not fulfilled in Christ's time. Just as the first 69 weeks were periods of literal years, so is the 70th week a literal period of 7 years. Yet Daniel 9:26 has the temple and the city being destroyed before the 70th week. But that didn't happen until AD 70 which is some 37 to 40 years after Jesus was crucified.
And Jesus didn't make a covenant with the people which He then broke after 3 1/2 years. Nor did Jesus bring about the desolation of abomination spoken of in Daniel 9:27 and about which He warns in Matthew 24:15.
Daniel's 70th week - the Tribulation is still a future event.
And by the way, the animal sacrifices were continued by the unbelieving Jews right up until the temple was destroyed in AD 70.
Jesus did make a covenant, Matt 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
From the time of decree to rebuild Jerusalem till the Messiah is 7 weeks and 62 weeks of years. When did Jesus become the messiah(anointed one)? When he was baptised in the Jordan by John.
When Jesus was baptised and anointed that ended the 7 weeks and 62 weeks and so the 70th week begins and so does his 3 1/2 year ministry.
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
that scripture says after the 62 weeks Jesus will die. When will he die AFTER the 62 weeks, when did the 62 weeks end, when Jesus was anointed.
The 70 weeks run consecutive.
otherwise these do not get fulfilled
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
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