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So we have super long threads trying to justify this as normal, the will of God or accept me or your a bigot. If you disagree with the lifestyle its not your opinion, its now hate speech, but if the LGBTQ and backers call you names for not agreeing, its not consider hate speech.
Lets compare homosexuality, with adultery and incest, which are other forms of Sexual immorality listed by God.
For Adultery, I dont hear any one say, God made me this way to want multiple women/men, so Im going to cheat on my spouse and you better not say its wrong or you're a bigot. Actually you're an adulterphobe for not supporting my lifestyle of adultery and I should be able to openly be in adultery in the church too, dont judge.
LGBTQ says whats wrong with 2 committed adults doing what they want behind closed doors.
How about incest. Whats wrong with 2 loving and committed family members having sex with each other behind closed doors. God made them that way, despite where it says in scriptures that is a 100% no no, just like he did on homosexuality. If you say anything against people that commit incest and are open about it in the church too, yore a bigot or incestaphobic.
All 3 scenarios are listed as the sin of Sexual immorality by God and must be repented of. Jesus didnt speak on incest and bestiality, but that doesnt make them okay either. He didnt have to speak on homosexuality, because they all knew it was a abomination to God to live like that, it was wrong, goes against nature and the will of God and considered sexual immorality, so no need for Jesus to go in detail about something that is obvious to them like STOP at a stop sign is obvious to us in our current times.
Whole issue summed up right here.
Is Gay marriage or LGBTQ lifestyle backed by scriptures? NO
Is Gay marriage or LGBTQ lifestyle a sin according to scriptures? YES
Does God recognize marriage between anything other than a man and woman? NO
Is sex outside of marriage a sin according to scriptures? YES
Is homosexual sex outside of marriage sexual immorality according to scriptures ? YES
Is heterosexual sex outside of marriage sexual immorality according to scriptures ? YES
Does the bible say sexual immorality is a sin in the OT and NT? YES
Does the bible say people who practice sexual immorality will not go to heaven? YES
Its that simple, God doesnt hate a homosexual/lesbian, even though he calls their lifestyle an abomination, he still loves them. What he hates is the sin of sexual immorality and it must be repented of and it applies to gay and straight people. Since God sees sex outside of marriage as a sin and will never recognize a gay marriage, homosexuality will always be sexual immorality which is a SIN, just like adultery and fornication.
IN THE BEGINNING
Genesis 1:27
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
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JESUS CONFIRMS WHAT MARRIAGE IS
Matthew 19
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him,“Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them,“Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said,‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
7 They said to Him,“Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
8 He said to them,“Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality,[d] and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
So Jesus taught from the Torah and it is pretty clear and straight forward that marriage is between a man and a woman only, so Gay marriage and homosexuality will never be okay in the eyes of God.
SEXUAL IMMORALITY IS A SIN AND A SIN AGAINST YOUR OWN BODY
1 Corinthians 6:18
18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
Gay Marriage, Homosexuality, and Sexual Immorality is wrong, no matter how one tries to flip scriptures to suit them. As a true believer we are to let the bible be the standard, not man kinds corrupt traditions. In the end you give an account to Jesus, not mankind.
Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13, Rom 1:24-32, 1 Cor 6:9, Colossians 3:5-7, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5, Rev 21:8
Colossians 3:5-7
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 21:8 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[a] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
And this general kind of thinking is part of the reason why I believe that atheism is the only true path to loving others. I condemn this kind of thinking because -- if there is a god -- you're not the one who should be making judgments against others.
And this general kind of thinking is part of the reason why I believe that atheism is the only true path to loving others. I condemn this kind of thinking because -- if there is a god -- you're not the one who should be making judgments against others.
Perhaps their goal is to drive LBGT folks from the Christianity forum or maybe from Christianity itself?
Everyone was designed to be straight so it is a pointless question.
If everyone were born according to your perception (i.e., straight), then there would be no differences.
Your religious beliefs have merely blinded you to the truth; and your statement is simply NOT true.
However, if you want to remain in ignorance, then that is your choice.
Sexual immorality seems to shock some people more than does other kinds of sin. But there are far worse sins such as arrogance, pride, jealousy, malice, revenge motivation, murder, unjustified anger, etc. I don't recall anyone ever starting a thread about those things. It's always sexual immorality.
If you've accepted Jesus as Savior, your sins, no matter what they are, won't keep you out of heaven. The way you live can result in loss of eternal rewards at the judgment seat of Christ and keep you from 'inheriting the kingdom of heaven,' but it won't keep you out of the kingdom of heaven.
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You also dont see people calling others bigots, fundies, and more if they dont agree arrogance, pride, jealousy, malice, revenge motivation, murder, unjustified anger is wrong.
So in regards to "If you've accepted Jesus as Savior, your sins, no matter what they are, won't keep you out of heaven.", do you really think a gay pastor, a serial rapist, a serial murder, etc will be going to heaven if they die in that lifestyle simply because, they uttered some words when they were a teenager, but lived a different lifestyle otherwise? if so, what is any sort of motivation for any believer to obey Gods commands if the fate is the same for living how ever you want.
It isn't uttering some words that saves you. It's placing your faith, your trust, your confidence in Jesus Christ who was judged for every sin you will ever commit in your life. Since God the Father already judged your personal sins when Jesus bore them in his own body on the cross, He isn't going to condemn you for them when you get around to actually committing them in your life. God knew you were going to commit your sins. He judicially imputed those sins to Jesus who paid for them. Your sins are therefore not the issue in eternal salvation. The only issue is whether or not you will trust in the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross.
Now, the fact that Jesus took the penalty for all the sins of the world doesn't mean that anyone is automatically saved (except for those who die before reaching a point of accountability such as infants or people who are so mentally handicapped that they can't even conceive of the existence of God), there's still the issue of no one having a righteousness that can measure up to God's perfect standard. No matter how good a person is relatively speaking, his human righteousness simply isn't good enough for God to accept it. That's why when a person trusts Jesus Christ, God imputes or credits the perfect righteousness of Jesus to that person. And that qualifies that person to have an eternal relationship with God.
You either believe that eternal salvation is by grace through faith and not by works, or you don't believe it. You either believe that your salvation depends on what Jesus has already done, or you believe that your salvation depends on you. When talking about eternal salvation, both Jesus and Paul said that eternal life is a gift. You don't work for it, you don't earn it by being good and by not sinning. You simply receive it on the basis of grace though faith in Jesus.
The believer can come under divine discipline in time because of sin, and he can lose eternal rewards at the judgment seat of Christ, but he cannot lose his eternal salvation.
You ask what motivation a believer has to obey God if he is saved no matter how he lives his life. Two things. Love of God, and the promise of eternal rewards at the judgment seat of Christ. Those two things should be motivation enough for any believer.
And yes, I know I wasted my time posting this. This isn't the first time we've been over this.
And this general kind of thinking is part of the reason why I believe that atheism is the only true path to loving others. I condemn this kind of thinking because -- if there is a god -- you're not the one who should be making judgments against others.
Sadly, when the few of us that actually believe what God has said in his word post something, too many people try to jump on us, attack us, scream, yell, bite, and holler that we can't possibly respond to everyone.
Judas hung himself, ...if God said 'go and do likewise' would you? And, don't kid yourself, you haven't answered a damn thing. Your posts have been nothing more than what you wrote above, and that of shaking the bush while screaming ...bigot ...bigot ...bigot! And quoting a few verses is NOT having a discussion - it's a mindless act.
If everyone were born according to your perception (i.e., straight), then there would be no differences.
Your religious beliefs have merely blinded you to the truth; and your statement is simply NOT true.
However, if you want to remain in ignorance, then that is your choice.
Exactly. They choose to ignore science, logic and reality. Hence the Fundashield Of Determined Ignorance.
Sadly, when the few of us that actually believe what God has said in his word post something, too many people try to jump on us, attack us, scream, yell, bite, and holler that we can't possibly respond to everyone.
Instead of complaining, you COULD have simply answered the questions asked.
Sadly, when the few of us that actually believe what God has said in his word post something, too many people try to jump on us, attack us, scream, yell, bite, and holler that we can't possibly respond to everyone.
I believe believing the bible is inerrant and infallible is a sin of idolatry. Post something like this and the fundamentalists go mental, gnash their teeth like you have offended God.
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