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If someone says they are Christian, I have no reason not to believe them. I do not quiz them to assure Christian compatibility.
For me the litmus test is believing 100% in the Nicene Creed.
There really is NO wiggle room there...until the Pope says...if you believe Jesus did such and such
you are a Christian. Or if you want to be like Jesus...
No one has changed the definition since 325 CE or AD.
For me the litmus test is believing 100% in the Nicene Creed.
There really is NO wiggle room there...until the Pope says...if you believe Jesus did such and such
you are a Christian. Or if you want to be like Jesus...
No one has changed the definition since 325 CE or AD.
If that works for you and makes you a Christian then you are Christian. Other Christians do not share your view. They are Christians, too.
When someone tells you they are Christian, do you quiz them on their beliefs? If they do not believe in the Creed what do you tell them then?
If that works for you and makes you a Christian then you are Christian. Other Christians do not share your view. They are Christians, too.
When someone tells you they are Christian, do you quiz them on their beliefs? If they do not believe in the Creed what do you tell them then?
Just sayin...did u know I can't/do not identify as a Christian?
There is no way I could....YET, I have so many Evangelical friends...and not one (how do I know? Cuz they all come to me) follows the precepts or instructions laid out so simply by Jesus...and lol,
that's why they come to me so screwed up in their lives...depression, anxiety galore, adultery...guilt for this and that up the wahsoo!
They simply do not follow most anything Jesus says to do!
Yet, they continue to be 'Christian'....and I am not, because I do not believe things on the Nicene Creed.
As I said...until there is a new definition laid down I can not call myself a Christian.....a man made title/definition/label.
But, I can honestly say you have never met in your live someone that follows Jesus's advice and message more than me.
And lemme tell you...if people did ...this would be a different world! Peace and contentment and charity and selflessness, galore!!!!!!
For me the litmus test is believing 100% in the Nicene Creed.
There really is NO wiggle room there...until the Pope says...if you believe Jesus did such and such
you are a Christian. Or if you want to be like Jesus...
No one has changed the definition since 325 CE or AD.
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Just sayin...did u know I can't/do not identify as a Christian?
There is no way I could....YET, I have so many Evangelical friends...and not one (how do I know? Cuz they all come to me) follows the precepts or instructions laid out so simply by Jesus...and lol,
that's why they come to me so screwed up in their lives...depression, anxiety galore, adultery...guilt for this and that up the wahsoo!
They simply do not follow most anything Jesus says to do!
Yet, they continue to be 'Christian'....and I am not, because I do not believe things on the Nicene Creed.
As I said...until there is a new definition laid down I can not call myself a Christian.....a man made title/definition/label.
But, I can honestly say you have never met in your live someone that follows Jesus's advice and message more than me.
And lemme tell you...if people did ...this would be a different world! Peace and contentment and charity and selflessness, galore!!!!!!
In essence you and me have a lot of things in common miss Hepburn, but i don’t believe it is as cut and dried as the nicene creed makes a Christian.....I believe that the nicene creed was introduced to fulfill prophecy about the institution of the RCC which is just a 12th of the nations predicted to come from Abraham
And Abraham is a father, not THE father - it goes further back to Noah ...... to Adam who was given the job of labelling/naming things
How I see it is that there is too much labelling on what is seen on the outside and emphasis on what is literally written in the scriptures, and not enough on what is on the inside and the meaning of the scriptures
So while I personally do not ascribe or belong to any of the physical churches I do have a belief in Christ
So while I think of myself as a believer in the Christ (the Messiah) it does not concern me that others may not see me as a Christian
[quote=Meerkat2;55378030]In essence you and me have a lot of things in common miss Hepburn, but i don’t believe it is as cut and dried as the nicene creed makes a Christian.....I believe that the nicene creed was introduced to fulfill prophecy about the institution of the RCC which is just a 12th of the nations predicted to come from Abraham
And Abraham is a father, not THE father - it goes further back to Noah ...... to Adam who was given the job of labelling/naming things
How I see it is that there is too much labelling on what is seen on the outside and emphasis on what is literally written in the scriptures, and not enough on what is on the inside and the meaning of the scriptures
So while I personally do not ascribe or belong to any of the physical churches I do have a belief in Christ
So while I think of myself as a believer in the Christ (the Messiah) it does not concern me that others may not see me as a Christian[/QUOTE
I too believe in Christ, the chosen heir and successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, who is the God as chosen by our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who told Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put 'MY WORDS' in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed 'MY WORDS' which he shall speak in 'MY NAME', I will punish, etc.
Did you think that Jesus was the Chosen heir and successor to the throne of the most High, and not the one whose words were spoken through the mouth of his servant, the man Jesus?
1st Timothy 1:1; “From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of “GOD OUR SAVIOUR” and Christ Jesus “OUR HOPE.”
In essence you and me have a lot of things in common miss Hepburn, but i don’t believe it is as cut and dried as the nicene creed makes a Christian.....I believe that the nicene creed was introduced to fulfill prophecy about the institution of the RCC which is just a 12th of the nations predicted to come from Abraham
And Abraham is a father, not THE father - it goes further back to Noah ...... to Adam who was given the job of labelling/naming things
How I see it is that there is too much labelling on what is seen on the outside and emphasis on what is literally written in the scriptures, and not enough on what is on the inside and the meaning of the scriptures
So while I personally do not ascribe or belong to any of the physical churches I do have a belief in Christ
So while I think of myself as a believer in the Christ (the Messiah) it does not concern me that others may not see me as a Christian
I too believe in Christ, the chosen heir and successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, who is the God as chosen by our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who told Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put 'MY WORDS' in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed 'MY WORDS' which he shall speak in 'MY NAME', I will punish, etc.
Did you think that Jesus was the Chosen heir and successor to the throne of the most High, and not the one whose words were spoken through the mouth of his servant, the man Jesus?
1st Timothy 1:1; “From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of “GOD OUR SAVIOUR” and Christ Jesus “OUR HOPE.”
I give up. I have been trying to understand your view and where you are coming from, but either you do not want anyone to know or you simply do not know how to communicate it. I have a similar difficulty in communicating so this is not a criticism. I am genuinely trying to understand your view. WHO is the Christ you refer to if not Jesus? Are you a member of a known religion? If so what is it?
I give up. I have been trying to understand your view and where you are coming from, but either you do not want anyone to know or you simply do not know how to communicate it. I have a similar difficulty in communicating so this is not a criticism. I am genuinely trying to understand your view. WHO is the Christ you refer to if not Jesus? Are you a member of a known religion? If so what is it?
If you want to know CHRIST, the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of The Most HIGH, 'IN THE CREATION,' who is the second Adam, The Son of Man, and the only begotten son of God, who is our Lord God and savior, then listen to his words as spoken through the prophet Jesus, who he chose from among the Israelites, and filled him with his spirit [HIS WORDS] and sent him to the people to speak HIS WORDS in HIS NAME.
It is the spirit that gives life, said the Lord through the mouth of his servant Jesus, and my WORDS are spirit.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put 'MY WORDS' in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed 'MY WORDS' which he shall speak in 'MY NAME', I will punish, etc.
When the Samaritan woman said to Jesus that she believed in the coming of the Messiah, the Lord our savior through the mouth of his servant Jesus said; He who speaks to you is he.
We must all pay the price for the sins of the flesh in which we the spirit/minds have developed, [Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God] and the Spiritual SON OF MAN, is the only one who can pay the death penalty for the sins of the body of mankind in which he develops.
If you want to know CHRIST, the one who was anointed
I guess not. I give up.
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