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If you'd be so kind re-read what i wrote, and then ponder the words, and you will come up with a different conclusion than the response you gave.
The reference to Jim Jones is exactly the fruit i am speaking of. We don't need to condemn him, his example is apparent. Just as we don't need to condemn JW's or anyother organized religion. Where do you stop? There are thousands of different denominations.
Spend time, seeking godliness, holiness, righteousness....The pure love of Christ. Pray for all of God's children to seek HIM first, Go Direct....
godspeed,
freedom
I just wanted to interject here that the Jehovah's Witnesses "example" isn't really all that "apparent" to most people, as you likened to that of Jim Jones. As a matter of fact, to state that we/I are/am condemning them, I believe is in error. What I, personally, the original poster of this forum am doing is bringing to light whether Johannes Greber and his communications with the spirit world is known to most people who happen to be, or happen to know Jehovah's Witnesses. Greber, as I stated earlier, got his translation of John 1:1 from demons. (See original post if it slipped your mind) THINK ABOUT IT. Some might call revealing this type of information 'condemning'. I call it revealing truth. This is NOT based on opinion. Condemnation is based on opinion of what one person thinks another person is doing wrong. In a court of law, this information about Johannes Greber and the Watchtower's usage of his material and reference to him/his translation, can be proven. If it can be proven, it's liable to bring consequences to those who now know the truth, yet continue the act of committing such a sin against God (remaining in an organization which bases one of the most important scriptures in the Bible, on what a demon dictates how it should be applied). Incidentally, for those who aren't informed on this, Greber asked a spirit to help him interpret difficult passages.He admits that a demon clarified to him that Jesus was not God, and this brought great joy to him to now have John 1:1 clarified, so he wrote his own translation of the Bible, and that translation is the one the Jehovah's Witnesses got their transaltion from.
If there is a law that says don't speed, do you go telling others not to speed? Maybe not. But if you had a child who was dying to know what was in that bottle up on the shelf with the word "POISON" on it, would you not warn him that it could cause him sickness? Or would you just say to yourself, "Aah, I dont wanna be mean.... let him find out for himself if it's really poison or not.... hopefully he'll never drink it, but who am I to tell him what to do???" If I am wrong, may I be judged by the Lord accordingly. For those who never find this information and end up before God on judgement day, God will reveal to them the error of their doctrine, and they may be saved if they, in good conscience, were never actually aware that the doctrine that they were preaching was not only false, but in violation of God's commandment. See Revelations 22:19.
I just wanted to interject here that the Jehovah's Witnesses "example" isn't really all that "apparent" to most people, as you likened to that of Jim Jones. As a matter of fact, to state that we/I are/am condemning them, I believe is in error. What I, personally, the original poster of this forum am doing is bringing to light whether Johannes Greber and his communications with the spirit world is known to most people who happen to be, or happen to know Jehovah's Witnesses. Greber, as I stated earlier, got his translation of John 1:1 from demons. (See original post if it slipped your mind) THINK ABOUT IT. Some might call revealing this type of information 'condemning'. I call it revealing truth. This is NOT based on opinion. Condemnation is based on opinion of what one person thinks another person is doing wrong. In a court of law, this information about Johannes Greber and the Watchtower's usage of his material and reference to him/his translation, can be proven. If it can be proven, it's liable to bring consequences to those who now know the truth, yet continue the act of committing such a sin against God (remaining in an organization which bases one of the most important scriptures in the Bible, on what a demon dictates how it should be applied). Incidentally, for those who aren't informed on this, Greber asked a spirit to help him interpret difficult passages.He admits that a demon clarified to him that Jesus was not God, and this brought great joy to him to now have John 1:1 clarified, so he wrote his own translation of the Bible, and that translation is the one the Jehovah's Witnesses got their transaltion from.
If there is a law that says don't speed, do you go telling others not to speed? Maybe not. But if you had a child who was dying to know what was in that bottle up on the shelf with the word "POISON" on it, would you not warn him that it could cause him sickness? Or would you just say to yourself, "Aah, I dont wanna be mean.... let him find out for himself if it's really poison or not.... hopefully he'll never drink it, but who am I to tell him what to do???" If I am wrong, may I be judged by the Lord accordingly. For those who never find this information and end up before God on judgement day, God will reveal to them the error of their doctrine, and they may be saved if they, in good conscience, were never actually aware that the doctrine that they were preaching was not only false, but in violation of God's commandment. See Revelations 22:19.
The tone of your posts has improved, and i think if it were presented more like this one, there may have been more positive input.
Receiving information through channeling is forbidden by the word of God, as are many other errors in the various religions. We should focus on the attitudes and practices that glorify God.
Not all channeling is provided by demons, i feel you may have taken liberty to define the spirits as demons.
Regardless, i don't feel it is our place to divide believers by the actions of others within their body, every church or denomination has its skeletons, which is why going direct is so key to our path of seeking First the kindgdom of God and His Righteousness.
The tone of your posts has improved, and i think if it were presented more like this one, there may have been more positive input.
Receiving information through channeling is forbidden by the word of God, as are many other errors in the various religions. We should focus on the attitudes and practices that glorify God. Not all channeling is provided by demons, i feel you may have taken liberty to define the spirits as demons.
Regardless, i don't feel it is our place to divide believers by the actions of others within their body, every church or denomination has its skeletons, which is why going direct is so key to our path of seeking First the kindgdom of God and His Righteousness.
godspeed,
freedom
Greber writes: "After I had convinced myself at the spiritistic meetings that God's spirits speak to men through mediums, as they had spoken to the early Christian communities, my first thought was to beg for full enlightenment on these problems concerning Christ. Who was Christ? My request was granted, to the smallest details, and that knowledge thenceforth constituted the most precious possession of my soul. In what follows, I shall repeat the truths regarding Christ. His life, and his work of Redemption, as they were imparted to me by the spirit which taught them." The spirit said: "At that time you were told that Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly; Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God's sons."(COMMUNICATION WITH THE SPIRIT WORLD OF GOD p.300)
Greber writes: "After I had convinced myself at the spiritistic meetings that God's spirits speak to men through mediums, as they had spoken to the early Christian communities, my first thought was to beg for full enlightenment on these problems concerning Christ. Who was Christ? My request was granted, to the smallest details, and that knowledge thenceforth constituted the most precious possession of my soul. In what follows, I shall repeat the truths regarding Christ. His life, and his work of Redemption, as they were imparted to me by the spirit which taught them." The spirit said: "At that time you were told that Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly; Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God's sons."(COMMUNICATION WITH THE SPIRIT WORLD OF GOD p.300)
If you'd be so kind re-read what i wrote, and then ponder the words, and you will come up with a different conclusion than the response you gave.
The reference to Jim Jones is exactly the fruit i am speaking of. We don't need to condemn him, his example is apparent. Just as we don't need to condemn JW's or anyother organized religion. Where do you stop? There are thousands of different denominations.
Spend time, seeking godliness, holiness, righteousness....The pure love of Christ. Pray for all of God's children to seek HIM first, Go Direct....
godspeed,freedom
Ok, I re-read it. And it still reads the same. I quoted scriptures to show that we are to defend and rebuke false teachings, and that's what I am doing. Following God's Holy word. I don't "ponder" false teachings....I rebuke them. I don't search hell and back trying to find writings and false interpretations to make it (God's Word) to sound how I want it to.
And so do I.....all Christians do. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Straight from the Bible. Christians call it the Holy Trinity or the GodHead.
Amen! :0) I believe the ones with the real truth of God are those that believe that God and Jesus are the same. I'm off to an appointment for work; see you guys later on!
Amen! :0) I believe the ones with the real truth of God are those that believe that God and Jesus are the same. I'm off to an appointment for work; see you guys later on!
Just wanted to say....Godspeed with your appointment. I'm praying right now it will go your way!!!
Where I am at is I am seeking the truth and the truth is in Christ..
As a christian (follower of christ) I believe in what the Holy Spirit reveals and it will never go against the bible. Listening to other spirits is NOT following the Holy Spirit and goes totally against the bible and is where error comes from. A lot of the time you find the error embedded in truth.
I didn't know this about the JW however that said I have never looked at what the JW's believe. I think it should be brought to light.
That said the teaching should be challenged NOT the individuals who are JW's.
The fruits of the Spiirt are love, joy, peace, longsuffering. This is a fallen world and the Kingdom of God is not of this world, followers of christ are his witnesess. I believe they are to show what Jesus is like be example, the words and actions are to come from the heart not be things that are learned and known from logic only.
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