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I have in the past related the story of how many years ago I was having what seemed like a civil debate with a YEC proponent on one of their web sites in which I unintentionally touched a nerve, or more exactly a live wire, that I had no idea until then even existed. I made some passing remark about the possibility of life being discovered elsewhere in the solar system and his instant violent reaction to that was that if any life were discovered elsewhere it would have to have originated on earth, in the cataclysm of the Flood, which he theorized spewed biological materials and organisms into space, to do a sort of local panspermia around the solar system. He was adamant enough about this to derail the conversation to go on a long diatribe about it.
More recently during the New Horizons Pluto flyby, the same site was giving a running commentary twisting and mischaracterizing the data coming back from the probe as proving, not just a young earth, but a young universe (e.g., no craters on Pluto, therefore it's young). In other words they have realized that if they are going to push a young earth, that can't exist in an ancient universe -- so they have to go all-in not only on the earth being the center of creation and the only place god created life, but on the entire universe being, I guess, created with apparent age but actually just as young as the earth. I remember one of the points being that the comets coming in from the Ort Cloud somehow prove the Flood cataclysm since they are bearing organic materials "clearly" ejected by the Flood, without accounting for the orbital period of these bodies being in hundreds of thousands of years and so could not have passed through the inner solar system a mere 6,000 years ago, they were still incoming at that time.
So this intellectual dishonesty (or if you're being charitable, sloppiness) is just par for the source with these folks, and nothing new.
Yep. Yet if these folks simply accepted the language as figurative, there would be no issue at all. And so they desperately need to swallow the notion that scientists everywhere, including the instruments on space probes, are all in this massive conspiracy theory to deny them the certainty of a literal reading of Genesis.
According to the Bible, the sun goes around the earth. Does that mean we need to be like the Catholic church in the Renaissance and persecute Copernican theory, too?
According to the Bible, the sun goes around the earth. Does that mean we need to be like the Catholic church in the Renaissance and persecute Copernican theory, too?
Sadly I do not think they would rule this out if they could get away with it.
I have in the past related the story of how many years ago I was having what seemed like a civil debate with a YEC proponent on one of their web sites in which I unintentionally touched a nerve, or more exactly a live wire, that I had no idea until then even existed. I made some passing remark about the possibility of life being discovered elsewhere in the solar system and his instant violent reaction to that was that if any life were discovered elsewhere it would have to have originated on earth, in the cataclysm of the Flood, which he theorized spewed biological materials and organisms into space, to do a sort of local panspermia around the solar system. He was adamant enough about this to derail the conversation to go on a long diatribe about it.
More recently during the New Horizons Pluto flyby, the same site was giving a running commentary twisting and mischaracterizing the data coming back from the probe as proving, not just a young earth, but a young universe (e.g., no craters on Pluto, therefore it's young). In other words they have realized that if they are going to push a young earth, that can't exist in an ancient universe -- so they have to go all-in not only on the earth being the center of creation and the only place god created life, but on the entire universe being, I guess, created with apparent age but actually just as young as the earth. I remember one of the points being that the comets coming in from the Ort Cloud somehow prove the Flood cataclysm since they are bearing organic materials "clearly" ejected by the Flood, without accounting for the orbital period of these bodies being in hundreds of thousands of years and so could not have passed through the inner solar system a mere 6,000 years ago, they were still incoming at that time.
So this intellectual dishonesty (or if you're being charitable, sloppiness) is just par for the source with these folks, and nothing new.
I prefer 'intellectual dishonesty' which is what it is. And this modern YEC actually goes back only to the 1960's because of a book by J. C. Whitcomb and H. M. Morris called The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and its Scientific Implications, 1961. Prior to that, by the end of the 19th century most theologians based on the scientific evidence had abandoned YEC and a global flood.
Today's YEC Christians really need to get a scientific education. Sadly though, it seems that today's YEC crowd rejects science as the enemy of faith, the Bible, Christianity, or whatever.
If your god is out there, the Webb telescope will get us a picture. Otherwise, it never happened.
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According to the Bible, the sun goes around the earth. Does that mean we need to be like the Catholic church in the Renaissance and persecute Copernican theory, too?
If your god is out there, the Webb telescope will get us a picture. Otherwise, it never happened.
Too bad you didn't include a middle initial E.
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