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Kampto= to bend, is used especially in the bending of the knees in religious veneration. (Vines)
Ephesians 3:14 "Therefore I ask you to not lose heart at my tribulations for your behalf, for they are for your glory, For this reason, I bow my knees before the Father.."
contrast with sunkampto=to bend completelly together, to bend down by compulsory force"
God bless.
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Hi Shawn, I believe that we have the ability or personal will to reject Christ today, but this does not mean that our wills are absolutely free. For example, James says in James 1: 18, that " In the exercise of His will, He brought us forth by the word of truth, and 4:18 we know that we "do not know what our life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away. Instead, you ought to say, 'If the Lord wills, we shall live and also do this and that..."
We are bound or restricted by the sovereign will of God. God also works all things according to the counsel of His own will according to Ephesians 1.
The word for "bow" in the NT passages is "kampto" and it means to bow in worship or religious veneration. All will be doing this.in the name of Jesus.
Again the word is kampto, and it means to worship, religious veneration, and this will be done to the glory of God the Father. God bless.
So, if the Lord wills everyone to worship, then what happened to Saul, Judas, Jeroboam, Baasha, Zimri, Tibni, Omri, Ahab, Jehoash, Jeroboam II, Joash, Zechariah, Shallum, Menahem, and so forth. If it was God's will for them to eventually worship God, then why did God call them wicked, and as you notice some of them were destroyed or struck down. Why would God do that if it was in His will to cause them to worship Him? Because they had free will to do so, and they had the choice to not worship God.
If it is God's will for everyone to worship Him, then everyone would worship and we would not have anyone in the bible that was destroyed for their wickedness.
So, what about the people that was washed away during the flood? Were they worshipping God or were they against God? But if they were against God, then it means that God gave them free-will to turn from Him and in that they were destroyed.
God turned from Saul because of what He did. What He did was wicked in the sight of God. But if Sauls will had been altered by God, then He would not have done what he did, as all the other people who disaobeyed God.
Saul later killed Himself because God turned from Him because of His choice of His will that was against God's. It was not in God's will for Saul to contact meduims and psychics. So, who's will was it, God's or Sauls. It was Sauls.
So, if the Lord wills everyone to worship, then what happened to Saul, Judas, Jeroboam, Baasha, Zimri, Tibni, Omri, Ahab, Jehoash, Jeroboam II, Joash, Zechariah, Shallum, Menahem, and so forth. If it was God's will for them to eventually worship God, then why did God call them wicked, and as you notice some of them were destroyed or struck down. Why would God do that if it was in His will to cause them to worship Him? Because they had free will to do so, and they had the choice to not worship God.
Shawn, I already shared that we have the ability, personal will to reject God.
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If it is God's will for everyone to worship Him, then everyone would worship and we would not have anyone in the bible that was destroyed for their wickedness.
So, what about the people that was washed away during the flood? Were they worshipping God or were they against God? But if they were against God, then it means that God gave them free-will to turn from Him and in that they were destroyed.
God turned from Saul because of what He did. What He did was wicked in the sight of God. But if Sauls will had been altered by God, then He would not have done what he did, as all the other people who disaobeyed God.
Saul later killed Himself because God turned from Him because of His choice of His will that was against God's. It was not in God's will for Saul to contact meduims and psychics. So, who's will was it, God's or Sauls. It was Sauls.
Eventually everyone will worship God, Shawn. He has said this. No, all are not worshipping Him now, but eventually everyone will. God gives us the temporary ability, freedom, personal/self will to disobey, reject Him now, but there will come a time when all all be made subject to Him, so that He may be all in all.
Must turn in. Hope to continue tomorrow, Lord willing. God bless.
Shawn, I already shared that we have the ability, personal will to reject God.
Eventually everyone will worship God, Shawn. He has said this. No, all are not worshipping Him now, but eventually everyone will. God gives us the temporary ability, freedom, personal/self will to disobey, reject Him now, but there will come a time when all all be made subject to Him, so that He may be all in all.
Must turn in. Hope to continue tomorrow, Lord willing. God bless.
Sorry, I don't see anywhere in the bible that says that everyone will eventually worship God. It does not say that God will alter our will and make us worship Him.
Yes, it says that every knee shall bow, of course every knee shall bow before Jesus, but that has nothing to do with our will. When Jesus comes back, everyone will bow due to His power.
Sorry, I don't see anywhere in the bible that says that everyone will eventually worship God. It does not say that God will alter our will and make us worship Him.
Yes, it says that every knee shall bow, of course every knee shall bow before Jesus, but that has nothing to do with our will. When Jesus comes back, everyone will bow due to His power.
You don't see it because it's not there. Not everyone who bows is going to be worshiping Him. For the unbelievers, they will bow, but it will be too late for them.
Before I turn in, the word for "confess" which everyone will be doing as they are bowing in worship/religious veneration is "exomologeo" and in the Romans 14:11 passage means to give praise or glory to, to glorify, to confess by way of celebration. In Luke 10:21 is it translated as "I give thanks or as I glady acknowlege" (Vines/Key Word Study Bible) This doesn't sound like it will be against anyone's will.
The bowing will not be done in forceful compulsion as depicted in the word, sunkampto. But the word that is used is especially used of bowing/bending of the knees in religious veneration, worship. (kampto) We serve a mighty God who is able to subdue all things to Himself including all hearts. Yes, it's there alright
Your right shawn unless you make an idea then cut and paste oh and throw in some greek then point out that some translations are incorrect and state that if you don't agree thats fine but you are undermining God's sovereignty but thats ok cuz it'll work its self out eventually.
So, if the Lord wills everyone to worship, then what happened to Saul, Judas, Jeroboam, Baasha, Zimri, Tibni, Omri, Ahab, Jehoash, Jeroboam II, Joash, Zechariah, Shallum, Menahem, and so forth. If it was God's will for them to eventually worship God, then why did God call them wicked, and as you notice some of them were destroyed or struck down. Why would God do that if it was in His will to cause them to worship Him? Because they had free will to do so, and they had the choice to not worship God.
Does the bible say that God made some vessels for dishonor? Did God order everyone,even children, killed in certain villages in the OT. Were they struck down..did those children have the free will to worship God? What about the first born of every Egyptian during the Exodus? Did those children have the free will to worship God? Why were those children struck down? What did Jesus say about the people who actually nailed him to a cross and whipped him? Shawn, you are trying to look at God with your human reasoning and justice. Being taken out of this world is not the worst thing that could happen to a person. We as humans, look at dying as such a horrific thing, even so called christians. You don`t think God can take a human out of this life when and how he pleases? Did Peter have the free will not to deny Christ? Our will is not powerful enough to supplant God`s will and it is his will that all be saved, especially those that believe. This age is not the end of the matter, shawn. There are ages to come.
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If it is God's will for everyone to worship Him, then everyone would worship and we would not have anyone in the bible that was destroyed for their wickedness.
Weren`t there children destroyed also? For what purpose was Jesus so brutally tortured and killed? You must believe that satan will win out over God in the end if you believe that satan will lead most of humanity away from God and into the fiery pit with him.
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So, what about the people that was washed away during the flood? Were they worshipping God or were they against God? But if they were against God, then it means that God gave them free-will to turn from Him and in that they were destroyed.
What about the babys and children destroyed in the flood? Were they given the chance to worship God? did those babys turn from God?
Do you believe the following verses?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. romans 11:32
Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will turn against me, because it is written, 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered ..mark 14:27 It was already preordained and foretold what would happen, they had no choice. It was God`s will that they turn away for the purpose he had planned.
it is God [not man] which works in you BOTH TO WILL [God causes us ‘to will’] and TO DO [God causes us ‘to do’] of His good pleasure" to bring about His intentions (Phil. 2:13).
Go to now, ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, which appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. For that ye ought to say, if the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that" (James 4:13-15
If it`s the Lords will, we shall do this or that. Not your will.
So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but OF GOD that shows mercy" romans 9 :16
It`s all about God shawn and not about us. It`s the great lie that the serpent told Eve, you shall be like God. That lie is still perpetrated by the church today. God gives, God takes away. God show mercy on whom he will. God does all of his good pleasure, doesn`t he? Do you think his pleasure is to save All men?
Your right shawn unless you make an idea then cut and paste oh and throw in some greek then point out that some translations are incorrect and state that if you don't agree thats fine but you are undermining God's sovereignty but thats ok cuz it'll work its self out eventually.
I couldn't have said it better
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