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Old 10-22-2012, 06:52 AM
 
Location: New England
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Yes it is a reality.

You are saying that Christ had the mind of an unrighteous man, for He it is who taught that the wicked will depart to eternal punishment. I will rather bank on Christ being correct in this matter than you.
It's a reality that your ways and thoughts are consistently is ?. If not you are still alive to yourself.

Jesus Christ did not teach or preach eternal punishment . He went around doing good and healing all those oppressed of the devil because God was with him,when you know God is with you this is what you do. The fact you vehemently believe in punishing someone for eternity tells me you have misunderstood what God sent his son into the world for. Quit limiting God because of sin, sin is no problem to God, the problem is what it does to man when he does not know God, himself and lives in conditional,love,grace,mercy and forgiveness towards others, he lives a life of misery and lack,a life of being self centered and alienated from what really is the mind of God towards him.

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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That is what I said...people speak well of false prophets in such an age as this, when they demean somebody who speaks God's word it is a matter for rejoicing.

God is LOVE.

Someone is speaking of the LOVE of God and all that it means, the
POWER of God's love, and you call them a false prophet.

You speak of God torturing people for all eternity and you call yourself a "speaker of God's word".

You are greatly confused.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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There is no eternal punishment for the vast majority, just many embodiments on this and other lower "footstool" 3rd dimensional worlds. The conditions on those worlds might not be as heaven like as on this world, sure. So to avoid those conditions we should do all we can.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Winchester
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It's a reality that your ways and thoughts are consistently is ?. If not you are still alive to yourself.

Jesus Christ did not teach or preach eternal punishment . He went around doing good and healing all those oppressed of the devil because God was with him,when you know God is with you this is what you do. The fact you vehemently believe in punishing someone for eternity tells me you have misunderstood what God sent his son into the world for. Quit limiting God because of sin, sin is no problem to God, the problem is what it does to man when he does not know God, himself and lives in conditional,love,grace,mercy and forgiveness towards others, he lives a life of misery and lack,a life of being self centered and alienated from what really is the mind of God towards him.

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
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To say that Christ did not teach eternal punishment is just a plain lie, you know that.

He did indeed go around doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil, you do believe there is devil then.

He has servants.

These servants of the devil are like him, they do his work, they lie. They say what he said in the beginning to man, "you can sin...it will be well with you..." The cross shows what the sin of man has done both to man and to God, nailing healing hands to the cross.

If you were American ambassador to Iran and you, speaking on behalf of the President you assured the leadership in Iran that they could proceed in developing a nuclear capability, America would stand by. You would be a traitor, a false messenger and you would be responsible in part for all the consequences.

It is questionable whether Hitler would have attacked Poland in '39 except he was receiving equivocable messages from Paris and London.

Although Christ fully showed His will and purpose for mankind, these very actions brought to the fore enemies, so it is childish or downright dishonest to to close your eyes to the fact that men are at war with God. Our ears and eyes tell us it is so.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Jesus Christ did not teach or preach eternal punishment.
This is true, for he never used the word for eternal in conjunction with punishment.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Winchester
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God is LOVE.

Someone is speaking of the LOVE of God and all that it means, the
POWER of God's love, and you call them a false prophet.

You speak of God torturing people for all eternity and you call yourself a "speaker of God's word".

You are greatly confused.
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God is LOVE, but man is not love is he? the same apostle who says that God is LOVE also says that the world lieth in the wicked one. Man's response to God's love was to nail Him to the tree. We know that there is full pardon and eternal life for everyone who will avail themselves of God's love in Christ Jesus. But all do not avail themselves, they remain at emnity with God. Jesus Christ is in no confusion about the matter nor were any of His apostles. But you have a different message. Your message is that sin and emnity with God is no very great matter...it will be well for any man or woman to live and die in utter soul darkness.

Let murder and mayhem run riot in our cities and towns, God will wink His eye at it, there is no calling to account. By saying so you are partners with sin yourselves.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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To say that Christ did not teach eternal punishment is just a plain lie, you know that.
To the contrary, you have been deceived; falsely persuaded by others or that of your own understanding.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Winchester
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This is true, for he never used the word for eternal in conjunction with punishment.
Matt. 25:46
...and these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Matt. 25:46
...and these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
The words endless torment, adialeipton timorion or eternal imprisonment, aidios eirgmos; do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Whoever, says, that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (torment) beyond this life is sadly mistaken.

It's a limited duration of aionion kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view, but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Winchester
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Just as I believe eternal life means eternal I also believe everlasting punishment means everlasting. Every linguist who ever translated the bible into whatever language it has been translated has it so.

When they mean 1,000 years they say so. Why should anyone believe the few linguists who have translated it differently and that with a prejudice too.
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