Simple Scriptures that show the Salvation of All

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by wilvan

I agree there is no eternal torture but there is the second death for the wicked humans after the Great White Throne Judgment. The Scriptures will not say the wicked are cast into the lake of Fire to die a second death if that is not true. God will not warn us and use the word death if eventually everybody is given eternal life anyway... he would have said it plainly.

When the Scriptures said death is abolished, thrown into the Lake of Fire, it means only the humans given eternal life will no longer experience the second death. It does not include those who are already thrown into the Lake of Fire, they are gone and will never come back to life.

Well much of your ideology i believe to be based on flawed exegesis. First of all, just because something isn't specifically worded in the way we want it to be doesn't mean that it isn't true. For instance, the deity of Christ, and the trinity are ideas that are never expressly stated so simply as to make them unquestionable doctrines. Much debate in the early church as to the trinity and deity of Christ was held before contemporary fundamental doctrines were established. Unfortunately due to the nature of the subject matter of most of the bible very few things are so plainly stated as to make them obvious. However the fact that God is the savior of all men is one thing that is plainly stated. The fact that he will save everyone from death is plainly stated as well. I have heard the question asked what are we saved from? We are saved from death, not eternal torture. If God wanted the people to die he would just leave them dead. The fact that he resurrects them to face "basanizō" (literally testing for purification) by fire is a testament to the fact that the second death is not just the redundant killing of people who were already dead to begin with before they were resurrected. When we are born again the old creature dies and the new creature is born. That is not to be taken literally it is a figure of speech which represents a spiritual reality. The second death could and i believe should be understood in this way. If death is truly to be done away with and has no victory then all must be taken out of death before it is destroyed. Saying the vast majority of humanity will stay dead for ever is to say that death has the greater victory over Gods creation. It is to say that Adams sin which brought death to all people is greater than Christs sacrifice if he can only save such a very small few.

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by wilvan

Ok, let's say on Judgment Day God said... Surprise! The second death in the Lake of Fire is NOT TRUE... it is not really death but only a "cleansing" process; lo and behold death is now abolished and all humans will be given eternal life. What if some humans rejected the offer... will God force them into immortality?

The angels have seen God and served him yet a third of them rebelled and rejected him... wouldn't some humans wicked enough to do the same? What would God do, give them immortality and throw them into the Lake of Fire to be tormented for ages like the fallen angels? That would not be the action of a merciful God.

The way in which it is expressed that the angels fell from Grace is contrasted by the fact that they were cast from heaven. God aways intended evil to exist in order to demonstrate his righteous judgment and mercy. God created the waster TO destroy(Isa 54:16); that is to say for the very purpose of destruction. All things will be reconciled to god and will turn to him and worship him in the fullness of times, of things in heaven and of things in earth and of things under the earth. It is God purpose and intention and good pleasure to do so. Nothing that man can do will change these facts. Once mankind comes face to face with the reality of God knowing him even as he knows us there will be no possibility of denial or refusal of the true almighty transformative power of Gods love and righteousness. He will turn the mortal to the immortal, as if from lead into gold. He will turn death into life and sorrow into joy. God has a purpose for sin, and when that purpose is accomplished fully sin will be done away with just like unbelieving and doubt and pain and death, all things that derive from sin.