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1. The bible does not teach everyone will be saved.
FALSE
2. The bible teaches eternal separation for those who choose to reject Him.
FALSE
Especially point #2, where does this idea of "separation" from God come from? Those in the Lake of Fire are tormented in the presence of the LAMB! Doesn't sound like separation to me.
Your own beliefs contradict plain scripture ILNC.
Yes I read it and it is NOT what the Bible teaches, telling people all will be saved contradicts what the Bible teaches. The Bible DOES teach all will be eternally separated from Him, I hope someday you can see with your spiritual eyes.
I already did in other threads, you just refuse to believe the Bible. That verse does not prove what you are claiming.
Please EXPLAIN. I didn't see your answer in my other thread as it quickly turned into a debate about the "eternalness" of hell, while I was interested in debating the "separation" part.
there will be eternal separation from God for those who choose to reject Him, their choice.
We do not choose to reject Him - He made us this way - the spirit of antiChrist is within us all from birth; there is none who would seek after God if left to themselves, only His spirit draws us to Him (and all that He draws WILL come.)
Now this separation issue; know you not that there is a part of you and me that is still corrupt? WE ARE NOT PURE! There is a refining that is taking place now in believers to kill off the carnal man, but that process isn't completed in this life.
"and can't understand why some people would think God would be able to save all."
Who can't understand ??? We believe in the scriptures. The problem is those who cannot understand the scriptures!
I believe most of us understand that God is able to do anything and everything....including judging all who reject Him and His word.
The problem here is all who are laboring under the new belief that everyone who does bad things is not evil....just sick! Just slap them on the back of their hand, and say "now now, don't do that" ! And turn them loose in society to repeat their meanness.
Towhee, the doctrine of Universal Reconciliation was the original belief of the majority of Christians in the first four hundred years ad.
You "orthodox" and "fundamental" believers are the ones with the new doctrine. ET came from pagan Rome and before that from pagan babylon. That is the facts, you cant deny it. The fire of Gods jealous wrath will be a terrible thing. You are the one making light of it not us. We only refuse to accept the fallacious concept of torture for the sake of torture. We understand Gods judgments are for correction. God does nothing in vain, all things are done for reconciling the world(whole kosmos) and everything in it to himself for his own glory.
What I don't get is the sheer complexity of all this! In Paul's day it seems you just had to believe in Jesus and that was that. Nowadays, one needs the equivalent of a dozen PhD's in the various branches of theology in order to understand the true meaning of the scriptures. Did the Bible get so bast*rdized over the millennia that hundreds of different interpretations, each seemingly backed by solid scripture, could emerge? Or have the scriptures always been this convoluted from Genesis onward, only growing in intricacy with the addition of each book? Sorry, don't mean to digress, but my head is spinning trying to take all this in.
Towhee, the doctrine of Universal Reconciliation was the original belief of the majority of Christians in the first four hundred years ad.
thats true, Gregor of Nyssa e.g. was the most orthodox universalist among them, the reconcilation of the whole (Col. 1:20) was first condemned in the 6th century AD, even an Orthodox clergy man admitted this, when I wrote him an email.
I would like to learn more about Gregory of Nyssa, interesting man
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