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Old 07-26-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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Or is man's will to difficult to overcome for God ?
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:10 PM
 
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Or is man's will to difficult to overcome for God ?

God finally made a rock that even He couldn't lift when He gave man free will!
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Old 07-27-2009, 03:50 AM
 
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14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

It is astonishing how christians try and use these verses to justify a tilting of the scales towards a few being saved (read Romans 11 verse 32 it pulls the rug clean from under this way of thinking taught by tradition)

Also if is taken at face value rather than in context , these verses prove man does not have the free will he thinks he as .

In otherwords man's coming into salvation as absolutely nothing to do with him,so if it as nothing to do with man , who are we to say to the potter "why have you bound all men over to disobedience so that you may have mercy on them all ?"
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:00 AM
 
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God finally made a rock that even He couldn't lift when He gave man free will!

Are you talking about that tough guy movie star ?. He probably is a little hard to lift up .

God only as to think and the will of man is all done with.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:15 AM
 
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Apparently God couldn't have possibly created the world in 6 days.

Last edited by Soljia; 07-27-2009 at 07:35 AM..
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:32 AM
 
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Or is man's will to difficult to overcome for God ?
God fashions all hearts and knows how to change the will of a man. He does it everyday!! God bless.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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Or is man's will to difficult to overcome for God ?
Not according to Augustine of Hippo:

"Chapter 29.— God is Able to Convert Opposing Wills, and to Take Away from the Heart Its Hardness."

CHURCH FATHERS: On Grace and Free Will (St. Augustine)

Paul
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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Men's hearts are already hard. Our will is to sin. God restrains men's hearts and wills.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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Men's hearts are already hard. Our will is to sin. God restrains men's hearts and wills.
What against their free will ? surely not ?
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:44 AM
 
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What against their free will ? surely not ?
Good point. How can God restrain men against their free will? It really isn`t free will is it?
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