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The Resurrection of the saints and Rapture, plus the return of Jesus Christ to rule the World must happen in a Sabbath Year. Daniel's 70th Week, which is the last 7 yrs, means it is a Sabbath Cycle, therefore man's 6000 yrs rule will end in a Sabbath Year. The coming Sabbath Yrs are 2016, 2023, 2030... and so on.
I thought this year was the beginning of a Sabbath cycle? This fall? I'm not schooled in it...I've just read a bit here and there. Do you know what is special about this fall, then?
I thought this year was the beginning of a Sabbath cycle? This fall? I'm not schooled in it...I've just read a bit here and there. Do you know what is special about this fall, then?
Absolutely nothing but what men make up about it....silly rabbits: smack:
I thought this year was the beginning of a Sabbath cycle? This fall? I'm not schooled in it...I've just read a bit here and there. Do you know what is special about this fall, then?
The Jubilee cycle is composed of 7 sabbath cycles, 1-7, 8-14, 15-21, etc. This year the Jews entered the seventh, 43-49. The 50th year is 2017.
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Is there a second meaning to the 70 weeks? Did God also mean 70 Jubilees or approx. 3500 years? Roughly, from approx. 1500 BC and the first Jubilee year to 0 AD were 30 Jubilee years and from 0 AD to 2000 AD was approx 40 Jubilee years = 70 years). Now to get more specific.
When we do a more exact calculation, there is the highest probability that the Year 1967 AD, when Israel retook Jerusalem, STARTS the 69th Jubilee year (of 50 years). This means that 1967 + 50 = 2017 AD, The 70th and Final Jubilee Year. Also according to Hebrew Numerology, 7 is the number for completion.
I don't personally believe the "rapture' or any supernatural event will occur in 2017. That's abundantly clear in my other thread, "God has gradually withdrawn from mankind", meaning He has ceased to create supernatural events in the modern world as He did before 70 AD. The worst thing facing mankind in not a mythological 7-year tribulation, it's a gradual erosion of the earth's ecosystem. One example, among thousands, is the unprecedented red dust storm that blew through Sydney the other day.
What I point out are the unbelievable odds of all these biblical dates and astronomical signs occurring in and around 2017. Pretty eerie, though I don't place any supernatural stock in them.
It's a good start, Dalton. As usual, it is loaded with "When Paul said this, did he mean this or did he really mean this?" But these are unavoidable. Part of the problem is translation, but even in the original Greek I'm convinced beyond any shadow of doubt we will never get definitive answers to our question re whether Paul was talking about a literal lifting in the air of physical bodies which then change to glorified, or if he was speaking of a spiritual change in our "inner" bodies (souls) and why he included himself in this physical or spiritual "rapture". Remember, Paul says he received this info DIRECTLY from a revelation of the Lord ("And this word we have received from the Lord") so that immediately puts Paul's veracity on the line because all sorts of questions pop up when we reads this "rapture" passage: did Paul really believe he himself would be lifted physically off the ground and his body changed to incorruptible matter, or was he speaking spiritually, and if he was speaking spiritually, did the Thessolonians understand that Paul was speaking of spiritual matters and not a physical change, and if they didn't understand this was to be a spiritual change then why didn't Paul correct their misunderstanding, and if Paul was speaking of an actual physical lifting off off the ground and flying into the air, then what must he have thought when 10 or 15 years later it never happened and he was under the axman's blade saying, "Huh"? Wa Hoppon?"
There are endless questions that can be raised when examining this passage, even in the original Greek text. That's what's so frustrating about trying to understand this stuff. And, believe me, the more you read the more confused you will become, as everybody and their grandmother and grand-uncle have an opinion about what all this means, and those who say, "I don't follow anybody's opinion, I let the scriptures speak for themselves" are secretly just as confused as the rest of us or they are deluding themselves. No One really understands this stuff, No One! Trust me on this one point, if nothing else.
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