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so once again let me share with you guys how the call of Salvation and God's Grace saves us.
The grace of God is found in the action He took to send his only son to die and pay the price to Him for our sins.
Thus, the call to believe goes out to all who hear it, for the salvation offer is to all.
We then can say that the grace of God, (the cross) is Sufficient to save all men.
This is just like when my mom told me I could invite my whole Sunday school class to my birthday party.
Mom said that there is no need to worry, that she would make more than enough food and cake for everyone.
But that food is only actually eaten by the people that come to the party.
Question, what did the kids get that did not attend the party?
ANSWER ; , Nothing.
The same is true with the offer of salvation that goes to all me in God's Grace.
It is Sufficient to save all me, but only Efficient to save in the lives of they who turn, repent and believe in Him...
This is why the Bible tells us that God wants to save "all men"
and that God seeks all that are lost, and that God wants to save all mankind from hell.
He does, and the cross is the means this is done.
The cross is sufficient to save all men
and efficient in the hearts of they who believe.
Oh it must be hell, to run into a guy who will not follow the whole script....LOL
There is no script to follow. You are like the guy that won't let anyone else's words get into HIS head but expects everyone to listen to him.
Interruption or verbal overlap is a sign of the a non-interactive communication style. This communication style can also be recognized by sudden changes of subject or bullying/name-calling, or complete avoidance of the subject matter/person communicating.
Nancy Tye-Murray wrote a book on the foundations of Aural Rehabilitation and in it she says, "A noninteractive conversational style often yields unfavorable consequences." (Foundations of Aural Rehabilitation ... - Google Books)
The unfavorable consequences arise when the communication/conversation stops progressing.
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so once again let me share with you guys how the call of Salvation and God's Grace saves us.
The grace of God is found in the action He took to send his only son to die and pay the price to Him for our sins.
Thus, the call to believe goes out to all who hear it, for the salvation offer is to all.
We then can say that the grace of God, (the cross) is Sufficient to save all men.
This is just like when my mom told me I could invite my whole Sunday school class to my birthday party.
Mom said that there is no need to worry, that she would make more than enough food and cake for everyone.
But that food is only actually eaten by the people that come to the party.
Question, what did the kids get that did not attend the party?
ANSWER ; , Nothing.
The same is true with the offer of salvation that goes to all me in God's Grace.
It is Sufficient to save all me, but only Efficient to save in the lives of they who turn, repent and believe in Him...
This is why the Bible tells us that God wants to save "all men"
and that God seeks all that are lost, and that God wants to save all mankind from hell.
He does, and the cross is the means this is done.
The cross is sufficient to save all men
and efficient in the hearts of they who believe.
efficient: (Webster's)
Acting directly to produce an effect: an efficient cause. See Synonyms at effective.
Acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort.
Exhibiting a high ratio of output to input.
I don't think this is the word you are looking for.
Regardless, this would be work or effort, salvation isn't achieved through works or effort.
People always say that you have to put effort into your salvation. If salvation is through works then what is the purpose of the Gospel? To tell us the same thing the Law did... a new set of laws to follow?
Isaiah 42:
"I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
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Thank you for your response Mike and I agree about Rev. 3:20 not being about salvation but in regards to repentance rather. Would you agree that the only faith that saves is a working faith (James 2:14-26) and hence is a living faith?
Salvation is through grace and not by works. Doing good works is a response to our gift of salvation. In order to receive salvation, one must repent (turn from) of his/her sins, believe in their heart that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins and to confess that belief with your mouth.
Acting directly to produce an effect: an efficient cause. See Synonyms at effective.
Acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort.
Exhibiting a high ratio of output to input.
I don't think this is the word you are looking for.
Actually, the Webster's understanding is just right on the spot...
The Grace of God is sufficient to save all mankind.
And is efficient( see meaning above) in the lives of they who turn to him and seek His forgiveness.
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble
themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked
ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin
and will heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and my ears
attentive to the prayers offered in this place."
2 Chronicles 7:14-15
Intercessory Prayer by Dutch Sheets is an amazing learning tool to understand how Our prayers can move God.
God does look for people to "standing in the Gap".
Prayer is also speaking God's word with authority and faith over people and situations.
So it works out like this:
To all the whole world God has sent his son to die for their sins.
This means that the blood of Christ is "sufficient" to save all the billions and billions of people on the earth.
This also means that the same blood of Christ is "efficient" in the salvation of men who have placed their faith in him.
So did Jesus die for all of humanity or did he only die for those who believe in him?
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So the Grace of God is sufficient to save all mankind
and the Grace of God is efficient at causing that salvation in the hearts of all they who turn to Him and believe....
The problem here is that you confuse a gift with a trade.
A gift (given freely out of love) is a gift with no strings attached.
A trade occures when you have to accept a certain condition in order to receive the gift, so it isn't really a gift at all.
So did Jesus die for all of humanity or did he only die for those who believe in him?.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
– John 3:16 (KJV)
The blood of Christ is "sufficient" to wash away the sins of all mankind, and "efficient" at doing so in "whosoever" believes in Him
The blood of Christ is "sufficient" to wash away the sins of all mankind, and "efficient" at doing so in "whosoever" believes in Him
So do you still have to believe in Him in order for the Blood of Christ to wash away the sins of all of mankind or not?
I mean a gunshot wound is "sufficient" to kill me but it does not necessarily mean that it will.
Or are you simply saying that God's grace is not a gift?
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A gift is a gift when it is both given and "received".
Uhm no, a gift is only a gift when the giver doesn't expect anything in return.
If you only 'give' gifts to get gifts in return then you're not truly a giving person at all.
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So did Jesus die for all of humanity or did he only die for those who believe in him?
The problem here is that you confuse a gift with a trade.
So do you still have to believe in Him in order for the Blood of Christ to wash away the sins of all of mankind or not?
