The Dogma that there is No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church (traditions, believe)
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"The Catholic Church also teaches that those baptized persons who embrace heretical or schismatic sects will lose their souls. Jesus founded His Church upon St. Peter, as we saw already, and declared that whoever does not hear the Church be considered as the heathen and publican (Matthew 18:17). He also commanded His followers to observe “all things whatsoever” He has commanded (Matthew 28:20). The Eastern schismatic sects (such as the “Orthodox”) and the Protestant sects are breakoff movements that have separated from the Catholic Church. By separating themselves from the one Church of Christ, they leave the path of salvation and enter the path of perdition.
These sects obstinately and pertinaciously reject one or more of the truths that Christ clearly instituted, such as the Papacy (Matthew 16; John 21; etc.), Confession (John 20:23), the Eucharist (John 6:54), and other dogmas of the Catholic Faith. In order to be saved one must assent to all the things which the Catholic Church, based on Scripture and Tradition, has infallibly defined as dogmas of the Faith."
"The Catholic Church also teaches that those baptized persons who embrace heretical or schismatic sects will lose their souls. Jesus founded His Church upon St. Peter, as we saw already, and declared that whoever does not hear the Church be considered as the heathen and publican (Matthew 18:17). He also commanded His followers to observe “all things whatsoever” He has commanded (Matthew 28:20). The Eastern schismatic sects (such as the “Orthodox”) and the Protestant sects are breakoff movements that have separated from the Catholic Church. By separating themselves from the one Church of Christ, they leave the path of salvation and enter the path of perdition.
These sects obstinately and pertinaciously reject one or more of the truths that Christ clearly instituted, such as the Papacy (Matthew 16; John 21; etc.), Confession (John 20:23), the Eucharist (John 6:54), and other dogmas of the Catholic Faith. In order to be saved one must assent to all the things which the Catholic Church, based on Scripture and Tradition, has infallibly defined as dogmas of the Faith."
The use of the word "saved" is Protestant and primarily evangelical Protestant in nature. Catholics do not go about talking about "when they were saved" by simply saying a brief prayer. I know many Protestants who think because they "accepted the Lord as Saviour" that they can go and do ANYTHING but still be "saved" no matter what.
Second of all, the apostle Peter was the first Pope and if you recall Jesus told him "Upon this rock you shall build my church".
It IS Catholic teaching that the Catholic faith is indeed the Church that Jesus founded and for many centuries it was the only form of Christianity in existence. When Protestants - from the word "protest" - began breaking off into other sects, it came from human motivation and not divine.
The Catholic Church does teach that those who believe the basic tenets of faith can enter heaven; I doubt that you have read a Catholic catechism or verified any of the above spew unless it came from a Chic tract.
In order to be saved one must assent to all the things which the Catholic Church, based on Scripture and Tradition, has infallibly defined as dogmas of the Faith."
So does Jesus save the pedophile who is "saved" but goes on to abuse children?
Does Jesus "save" the drug addict who continues to use meth?
How about the wife beater, the drunkard, the one who cheats on his income tax, who abuses his or her own children, who cheats on the spouse, who robs, who breaks the 10 commandments, who is racist, who is an arsonist, murderer, rapist...the list could be endless?
That "once saved, always saved" line is pure bull. It is a gift than can be lost..
Being "saved" - which is NOT a phrase used in the Catholic faith - doesn't work if it's lip service. It requires a life of faith acting in accordance to the way of the Lord.
Being "saved" - which is NOT a phrase used in the Catholic faith - doesn't work if it's lip service. It requires a life of faith acting in accordance to the way of the Lord.
So the catholic confessional is lip service. Gotcha.
So does Jesus save the pedophile who is "saved" but goes on to abuse children?
Does Jesus "save" the drug addict who continues to use meth?
How about the wife beater, the drunkard, the one who cheats on his income tax, who abuses his or her own children, who cheats on the spouse, who robs, who breaks the 10 commandments, who is racist, who is an arsonist, murderer, rapist...the list could be endless?
That "once saved, always saved" line is pure bull. It is a gift than can be lost..
Being "saved" - which is NOT a phrase used in the Catholic faith - doesn't work if it's lip service. It requires a life of faith acting in accordance to the way of the Lord.
I have an easy answer to this. If one is TRULY saved, one will not continue to do these things. God will deliver them from their sin and bring them into a right relationship with Himself. I do not have to confess my sins to a fallible man. I take my sins straight to the Man who lived without sin. I need no mediator other than the Lord Jesus Himself.
As far as eternal salvation goes consider Ephesian 4:20. It says, "Grieve not the Holy Spirit, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
The day of redemption is when Jesus returns, which has not happened yet. When someone accepts Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes in and seals them. They are sealed until the day of redemption. It is Biblical.
You are right that faith without works is dead, but on the flipside, works without faith is dead. Works, chanting pre-written prayers, and confessing your sins to a fallible man will NOT get you to Heaven. The only way you will get to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Those words are straight from the mouth of Jesus. The Catholic church and all of its traditions, dogmas, and rituals will not save you. You can only get to the Father through Jesus.
pastors helpmeet was right in what he was saying apart from one point.
"have an easy answer to this. If one is TRULY saved, one will not continue to do these things. God will deliver them from their sin and bring them into a right relationship with Himself."
Salvation is not reached by not sinning. Salvation is received through faith in Christ which is a gift of God. After all we were all dead in our sins, and a dead man can't chose life. But if a doctor comes along and revives him, he can have life! This is what God has done for those of us who believe in Jesus our their Lord and Savior. Praise God for life!
If salvation were by not sinning, then it would be works based, and we'd all be doomed. But the outworking of faith causes us to hate sin, avoid sin, see our need for Jesus the Savior. This is why we repent and turn from our sins, not for salvation after all God has given us that through faith in Christ.
Jesus paid the penalty for the full extent of our sin debit. but that is no reason to go on continue sinning as paul says in romans!
If a Catholic has faith in Christ as their savior trusting in christs completed work. "it is finished", and not in his own strength to be good, or live in some particular way, doing specific things. Then salvation he hath recieved surely?
So in answer to someones question did Jesus die for the pedaphile?
YES! He died for all sinners, but who will be saved? those who have faith in Christ, If a pedaphile is overcome and re-enacts a sin he has repented off still saved???, If you repent of swearing, then swear the next day are you still saved? Yes! repent again! Repentance isn't a single point thing, it's daily.. life long thing. a life of faith and repentance is definitly part of the Christian life.
Confession to man can be a useful thing if your having trouble accepting God's forgiveness, otherwise straight unto God who listen to you is fine!
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