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The church says what He did He did for all. If you would like I will come down to your enlightened level and even say, the fundemental church says what He did He did for all. What you continue to fail to understand is that while He did die for all, all would not accept Him.
Hypocrisy? You claim enlightenment while you assume others are in darkness. Cant get much more hypocrisy than that. Especially, when you clearly dont understand that the church has said repeatedly, "He died for all." What you cant reconcile in your mind is, "Not all will accept Him." If you believed what I believe you would know His church has always said this.
The problem is you choose to listen what you want to hear, not what has clearly been said. You again claim to have come out of something, but are still in that you claim to have come out of. A respecter of persons means he does not care about good deeds or works, or Enlightenment for that matter. They are filthy rags. It doesnt mean all will be saved in any fashion.
I did not claim enlightenment . i said i believed i was in the same spiritual darkness as the rest of fundamental christianity .
If you checked out the link,that is how i believed and how for the best part much of fundamental christianity believes , i am not afraid to call it for what it is , because God demands truth in the inward parts and
the truth sets you free. So it's not really enlightenment but being set free , my life is in his hands , i know that he is able to complete that which he has started in me and that includes taking a bilge pump (in my case the biggest one he has) to remove all that is of me so all that remains is his life.
The church says what He did He did for all. If you would like I will come down to your enlightened level and even say, the fundemental church says what He did He did for all. What you continue to fail to understand is that while He did die for all, all would not accept Him.
Hypocrisy? You claim enlightenment while you assume others are in darkness. Cant get much more hypocrisy than that. Especially, when you clearly dont understand that the church has said repeatedly, "He died for all." What you cant reconcile in your mind is, "Not all will accept Him." If you believed what I believe you would know His church has always said this.
The problem is you choose to listen to what you want to hear, not what has clearly been said. You again claim to have come out of something, but are still very much in that which you claim to have come out of. A respecter of persons means he does not care about good deeds or works, or Enlightenment for that matter. They are filthy rags. It doesnt mean all will be saved in any fashion.
So you say that although Christ is the Savior of the world, he does not save all the world. Hmm... contradictory much?
Or wait maybe I just don't understand this:
Savior-means you save something.
If I save a little girl then I am her savior.
But if I let her get run over by a truck then I am not.
Before I save her I am not her savior.
Therefore if Jesus is the Savior of the world, then it is safe to assume that he saves the world.
Care to enlighten me why the Spring Harvest is said to be the one where few come in, but the Fall Harvest is where the rest are gathered? If the Spring Harvest is now, then when is this Fall Harvest? (If all prophecy is fulfilled.) Surely they do not occur at the same time.
Christ did die for all but you have a choice whether or not to accept Him as your Saviour. He did not create us as robots. We all have a choice. You (yes, I said you) were given a choice whether to choose Him which is life or not to choose him (darkness) which is death. To choose Jesus is to have a relationship with him. He came in this world not to condemn the world but to save it. Jesus is a gentleman he will not force himself on anyone. He said I stand at the door and knock anyone who answers the door I will come in and sup with him. That door that Jesus is talking about is the door to your heart. If you answer Him He will come in and things become different.
So you say that although Christ is the Savior of the world, he does not save all the world. Hmm... contradictory much?
Or wait maybe I just don't understand this:
Savior-means you save something.
If I save a little girl then I am her savior.
But if I let her get run over by a truck then I am not.
Before I save her I am not her savior.
Therefore if Jesus is the Savior of the world, then it is safe to assume that he saves the world.
You are not of Christ so if you claim contridiction it is of yourself and not of Him. If you want Universalism than accept Universalism, if you want Christianity then accept Christianity. You can not have both.
Your concept of savior rightly fits your assessment. Christ is not saving people from being hit by trucks however, He is saving those who repent being dead in their sins. If you want logic try Greek Philosophy, the concept of Logos comes from there, bit from Christianity.
Care to enlighten me why the Spring Harvest is said to be the one where few come in, but the Fall Harvest is where the rest are gathered? If the Spring Harvest is now, then when is this Fall Harvest? (If all prophecy is fulfilled.) Surely they do not occur at the same time.
I don't think any of them apply now. Remember, all was fulfilled. In the years between Christ's ascension and judgement on Israel, the OC was "passing" away, but it ended, so these festivals do not apply anymore.
The only festival that applies is the Feast of Tabernacles, and that is practiced in church liturgy, in worship of Christ. But to answer your question, in regards to Millenialism, the fall harvest was the larger harvest of souls during that period, which IMO, as a Full Preterist, this harvest occured during the transitional period between the ascension and judgement of Israel 30-70 AD The saints, those in Christ after His death and ascension, were indeed harvested, as we read in Rev 20:
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Three sets of souls.
The saints - Matt 27:53 CF
Souls beheaded for the witness
Souls that did not worship the beast
Remember Stephen saw Heaven open up:
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.mThen they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
What is your point anyway? Because this is OFF TOPIC
You are not of Christ so if you claim contridiction it is of yourself and not of Him. If you want Universalism than accept Universalism, if you want Christianity then accept Christianity. You can not have both.
Your concept of savior rightly fits your assessment. Christ is not saving people from being hit by trucks however, He is saving those who repent being dead in their sins. If you want logic try Greek Philosophy, the concept of Logos comes from there, bit from Christianity.
So let us dump our reasoning at the door. Since the Greeks used it it must not be right. Perhaps this is why you committed the either/or logical fallacy.
How would I knw is my response to how many. But the OP readign of teh bible is very different from mine and I definely don't believe all will be saved as I read it.
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