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This comparison doesn't make sense. The Bay Area is 8,818 sq. mi. (according to Wikipedia) and the New York metropolitan area is 6,620 sq. mi. which you left out because it has more people. How is that New York's fault, and if you really think a place is great then population shouldn't matter anyway. One place having more people than somewhere else doesn't automatically make it better. Is Sudan with 40 million people a better country to live in than Switzerland with 8 million? You could like a city with a population of 70,000 better than one with 2 million if you want, it's your opinion. But just because one region and one city have similar population doesn't make it an equal comparison at all, how does that denote equality between two areas.
Why bother making a comparison if you're gonna try to handicap one place to give the other a greater advantage. Of course the 8,000 sq. mi. Bay Area has more outdoor opportunities than the inside of a 300 sq. mi. city. You might as well have made it the Bay Area vs. Manhattan or the Bay Area vs. Midtown. If you feel you need to limit NY to just its city than its area which is already smaller than the Bay Area than doesn't that already speak to New York's power anyway? You're not doing either area justice in a comparison like this.
Also, you were told wrong, New York is not surrounded by nothing. You have North Jersey and Long Island on either side of it, the rest of Jersey and Philly to the south, and CT and the rest of Southern New England to the Northeast, and more all around. When did the coastal Northeast become nothing, it's where most of our population here is concentrated.
Top 5 compared to what? Most people would agree that Chicago, NYC, LA, DC and Boston are firmly above Philly.
Considering it has the fourth most populace Urban area, fourth largest GDP, and fourth Largest Media market, I think it's safe to say it's in the top five or at least in the argument.
This comparison doesn't make sense. The Bay Area is 8,818 sq. mi. (according to Wikipedia) and the New York metropolitan area is 6,620 sq. mi. which you left out because it has more people. How is that New York's fault, and if you really think a place is great then population shouldn't matter anyway. One place having more people than somewhere else doesn't automatically make it better. Is Sudan with 40 million people a better country to live in than Switzerland with 8 million? You could like a city with a population of 70,000 better than one with 2 million if you want, it's your opinion. But just because one region and one city have similar population doesn't make it an equal comparison at all, how does that denote equality between two areas.
Why bother making a comparison if you're gonna try to handicap one place to give the other a greater advantage. Of course the 8,000 sq. mi. Bay Area has more outdoor opportunities than the inside of a 300 sq. mi. city. You might as well have made it the Bay Area vs. Manhattan or the Bay Area vs. Midtown. If you feel you need to limit NY to just its city than its area which is already smaller than the Bay Area than doesn't that already speak to New York's power anyway? You're not doing either area justice in a comparison like this.
Also, you were told wrong, New York is not surrounded by nothing. You have North Jersey and Long Island on either side of it, the rest of Jersey and Philly to the south, and CT and the rest of Southern New England to the Northeast, and more all around. When did the coastal Northeast become nothing, it's where most of our population here is concentrated.
Likewise its not the bay's fault that its more spread out. Works both ways
And I didn't literally mean that NY is surrounded by nothing. I meant that there is no other significant urban center in its area that attracts people like say a Philly does. In Chicago, there's Chicagoland and the Indiana suburbs but there's nothing that draws people other than Chicago.
Considering it has the fourth most populace Urban area, fourth largest GDP, and fourth Largest Media market, I think it's safe to say it's in the top five or at least in the argument.
Right, only if you dont count San Jose as being part of the Bay Area which is absurd. SF Bay Area is larger than Philly metro.
Likewise its not the bay's fault that its more spread out. Works both ways
And I didn't literally mean that NY is surrounded by nothing. I meant that there is no other significant urban center in its area that attracts people like say a Philly does. In Chicago, there's Chicagoland and the Indiana suburbs but there's nothing that draws people other than Chicago.
Jersey City
Newark
Yonkers
Paterson
Bridgeport
New Haven
Elizabeth
Stamford
Trenton(Where NYC metro overlaps with Philly metro)
Jersey City
Newark
Yonkers
Paterson
Bridgeport
New Haven
Elizabeth
Stamford
Trenton(Where NYC metro overlaps with Philly metro)
and I probably left some out.
Again the Bay area can't compete.
Since when are Trenton, Stamford, Elizabeth and Paterson significant cities? I'll give you Newark and Yonkers but the rest... not really. If you're going to call those significant urban centers then I could just as easily call these significant:
San Mateo
Palo Alto
San Rafael
Fremont
Richmond
Santa Clara
Redwood City
Vallejo
But they're not.
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