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You do realize my point is that Miami and LA are nothing alike? If you agree with that than I'm not sure why we're arguing. People on the first page said they are alike.
I completely agree that they are nothing alike. Myself and others were continuing with the assumption that you were trying to back up this claim:
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No. No its not. Miami is far more urban than LA in the downtown area. LA is more like Dallas.
While "urban" is decidedly a subjective concept, it is much more common to hear a place like downtown LA described as "urban" than downtown Miami (for the reasons I referenced earlier such as pedestrian scale, mixed uses, etc.)
Yes I agree on Miami (Miami is actually preety unique on feel in the US in my opinion), I think someone said Atlanta, which to me makes moe sense, or even somewhere between Atlanta and Philly on the developed space and feel
I like Atlanta <-> Philly. That seems to make some sense to me. There seems to be a wide range there, though.
Seattle still feels most appropriate, but I haven't spent much time in Atlanta.
After living in Seattle and now L.A. I find the 2 downtowns totally different. Dt L.A is grittier, older and much bigger. It really reminds me of an old east coast downtown. Dt Seattle is much more compact, newer with trendy highend retail like Gucci, flagship Nordstrom, Louie Vitton, St. John, Michael Kors and Tiffanys. Not much of that kind of retail in dt L.A. but tons of retail along Broadway and the fashion district. Look at dt residential. Again totallyopposite. Dt Seattle mostly newer and modern. Dt L.A., some new with lots of old. L.A. people who continue to say dt is dead need to take a trip and check it out. I love it!
San Francisco on Market St. feels a lot like Broadway to me, but the rest of downtown SF is a bit grander.. It might be a closer comparison than others in terms of actual buildings and area (But SF has a lot more residential around DT that makes the whole downtown area feel bigger by extension).
San Francisco on Market St. feels a lot like Broadway to me, but the rest of downtown SF is a bit grander.. It might be a closer comparison than others in terms of actual buildings and area (But SF has a lot more residential around DT that makes the whole downtown area feel bigger by extension).
I think that is the biggest factor on why LA doesnt always get more credibility, it is very developed but lack in residential compared to a Boston/SF/Philly - it is more similar to Atlanta on this factor, Atlanta is another in the Sunbelt that has great potential downtown and seems to be getting better alll the time, it is more developed in a dense fashin downtown relative to Houston and Dallas IMHO
I completely agree that they are nothing alike. Myself and others were continuing with the assumption that you were trying to back up this claim:
While "urban" is decidedly a subjective concept, it is much more common to hear a place like downtown LA described as "urban" than downtown Miami (for the reasons I referenced earlier such as pedestrian scale, mixed uses, etc.)
Miami has a ton of mixed use and urbanity just because its not old and looks gritty doesn't mean its not dense. I gave you the numbers. Even if you look past buildings and try to argue that Miami has more skyscrapers but LA has more low rises in the downtown core that doesn't hold water because a skyrise has more floors than a low rise. Miami is full of both high rises and low rises. Look at population in downtown areas and Miami has twice the number of people living in its downtown core than Los Angeles.
So they are nothing alike, LA is a traditional in the sense it is older and gritty and a core area. Miami is denser, has more people, and follows the coastline unlike much cities that are more circular in nature.
The thing about Miami is even though there are a lot of people, many of those highrises have people that take the elevator to the parking garage and drive out of the building, not always the case and it seems to be changing but for the number of people the street level pedestrian level is very to me.
Miami to me is different than just about every city downtown, I have trouble putting my finger on it specifically but it is a dense core with a driving mentaliy in many ways relative to the built up space and population. It also looks and feels very different to me. I love Miami, truly, but it is very hard to draw similarities to any other city of any scale in the US, at least to me, I know some will disagree
Actually though Dallas might be too small a downtown. It looks like LA is actually closest to Atlanta in downtown areas.
You are totally off-base here. Downtown LA far surpasses downtown Atlanta in terms of vibrancy, density, big-city feel, etc. And it definitely surpasses Miami as well. Miami may have lots of condo density, but no one in their right mind who has been to both downtowns can tell you LA doesn't have a more urban, hectic feel.
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The thing about Miami is even though there are a lot of people, many of those highrises have people that take the elevator to the parking garage and drive out of the building, not always the case and it seems to be changing but for the number of people the street level pedestrian level is very to me.
Miami to me is different than just about every city downtown, I have trouble putting my finger on it specifically but it is a dense core with a driving mentaliy in many ways relative to the built up space and population. It also looks and feels very different to me. I love Miami, truly, but it is very hard to draw similarities to any other city of any scale in the US, at least to me, I know some will disagree
Downtown Miami reminds me a lot of a less crowded and populated Makati. Except Miami is way way cleaner.
Ayala Avenue in Makati
Brickell
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Reason: Correct image of Ayala Ave
After living in Seattle and now L.A. I find the 2 downtowns totally different. Dt L.A is grittier, older and much bigger. It really reminds me of an old east coast downtown. Dt Seattle is much more compact, newer with trendy highend retail like Gucci, flagship Nordstrom, Louie Vitton, St. John, Michael Kors and Tiffanys. Not much of that kind of retail in dt L.A. but tons of retail along Broadway and the fashion district. Look at dt residential. Again totallyopposite. Dt Seattle mostly newer and modern. Dt L.A., some new with lots of old. L.A. people who continue to say dt is dead need to take a trip and check it out. I love it!
Yes, Downtown LA is not dead at all in fact its pretty vibrant, but its not upscale, which is okay I suppose.
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