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Everyday life is where San Francisco just whallops New Orleans.
And redefining "life" is where New Orleans trumps San Francisco.
All this talk of "debauchery" makes me think that you really only of think of the city as Bourbon Street.
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San Franciscans
-more attractive
-more intelligent
-more athletic
-more diverse
-more stylish
-more tech savy
New Orleans
-more friendly
-more offbeat
-more passionate sports fans
-more proud of their city
-more charming local accent
This makes sense.
I don't think even you realize that this is a knock against you, as well. I don't believe it's far fetched to say "more attractive" means, in part, "more White".
In New Orleans, the people are colored and the women are thick, so it won't likely win T&L's attractiveness competition, but the people there are far more beautiful, in my opinion; inside and out.
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And redefining "life" is where New Orleans trumps San Francisco.
All this talk of "debauchery" makes me think that you really only of think of the city as Bourbon Street.
I don't think even you realize that this is a knock against you, as well. I don't believe it's far fetched to say "more attractive" means, in part, "more White".
In New Orleans, the people are colored and the women are thick, so it won't likely win T&L's attractiveness competition, but the people there are far more beautiful, in my opinion; inside and out.
Didn't we already go through the "some people like fat girls" discussion a few pages back?
How many days in total have you spent in each city to make such sweeping generalizations about all the people?
Everyday life is where San Francisco just whallops New Orleans.
Festivals and Drinking are one thing, but thriving and succeeding are something else.
I think this is because New Orleans is a place for otherwise straight laced people to run to for a weekend and engage in debauchery and sometimes that's needed I suppose. Kudos for providing that outlet to people.
Depends on who that person is.
You act as if New Orleans is only Bourbon St with all this drinking you keep talking about. One can very well succeed in New Orleans. Where did you go when you visited New Orleans? Did you ever leave the Quarter? Really, where did you go to speak so much about New Orleans?
Well that's ironic since the New Orleans Metro has a White Majority and SF does NOT.
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Another thing you have to take into consideration is that Whites in New Orleans have been observed to not generally identify themselves as "White/American", but usually French, Italian, Irish, etc.. like those in the Northeastern part of the country (according to the U.S. Census Bureau anyway).
Depends on who that person is.
You act as if New Orleans is only Bourbon St with all this drinking you keep talking about. One can very well succeed in New Orleans. Where did you go when you visited New Orleans? Did you ever leave the Quarter? Really, where did you go to speak so much about New Orleans?
So many posters on CD seem to think the entirety of New Orleans is the Quarter. Not only that, but that the entirety of the Quarter is drinking establishments. The majority of the Quarter is residential; even Bourbon St starts turning residential once you cross Dumaine.
Advice to visitors to this wonderful city: After a day or two, get out of the Quarter. Take the St Charles streetcar to the Garden District and Uptown, stroll past the mansions in the University area, walk the beautiful campuses of Tulane and Loyola as well as Audubon Park.
I'd even recommend driving (I'd be reluctant to walk much of it) the Marigny and Bywater neighborhoods to see more architectural gems.
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I think this is because New Orleans is a place for otherwise straight laced people to run to for a weekend and engage in debauchery and sometimes that's needed I suppose. Kudos for providing that outlet to people.
On the other hand, the T+L survey you linked also reveals the following perceptions about residents through the eyes of visitors:
San Franciscans
-more attractive***
-more intelligent
-more athletic***Its worth noting that to most, there's a direct correlation between these two
-more diverse
-more stylish***another direct correlation
-more tech savy
New Orleans
-more friendly
-more offbeat
-more passionate sports fans
-more proud of their city
-more charming local accent
This makes sense.
Thats nice. But also this(just in case someone missed the link):
New Orleans TripWinner
-Romantic Getaway
-Cultural Vacation
-Wild Weekends
San Francisco Trip
-Family Vacation
-Pet Friendly Vacation
-Gay Friendly
New Orleans Nightlife-Winner- better in every category
-Happy Hour
-Music Scene
-Singles Scene
-Sports Bars
-Cocktail Lounges San Francisco Nightlife--worse in every category
New Orleans CultureWinner
-Street Performers
-Historic Sites
-Free Attractions
San Francisco Culture
-Museums
-Theater/Performance Art
-Classical Music
New Orleans Shopping Winner(I highly disagree here BTW)
-Independant Boutiques
-Flea Markets
-Antique Shops
San Francisco Shopping (Again I highly disagree)
-Luxury Stores
-Home Decor and Design Stores
New Orleans FoodWinner
-Fine Dining (could Michelin or Forbes be out of touch???)
-BBQ
-Hamburgers
-Cafes
-Coffee
San Francisco Food
-Pizza
-Ethnic Food
-Street Food
-Microbrew
-Ice Cream
San Francisco Visitor ExperienceWinner
-Cleanliness
-Safety
-Wireless Coverage
-Public Park
-Quietness
-Public Transit
-Environmental Friendliness
New Orleans Visitor Experience
-Architecture
-Range of Hotel Options
-Affordability
-People Watching
New Orleans Best Times to VisitWinner
-Fall
-Spring Break
-Winter
-Christmas
-New Year's Eve
-Valentine's Day
San Francisco Best Times to Visit
-Summer
-4th of July
OVERALL: New Orleans-WINNER
San Francisco-LOSER
I disagree with some of this, but for the most part, this is how I'd score it as well.
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Everyday life is where San Francisco just whallops New Orleans.
Festivals and Drinking are one thing, but thriving and succeeding are something else.
Let's not kid ourselves into thinking everyone in San Francisco is thriving and succeeding. Just like not everyone in New Orleans is drinking and partying.
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Thats nice. But also this(just in case someone missed the link):
New Orleans TripWinner
-Romantic Getaway
-Cultural Vacation
-Wild Weekends
San Francisco Trip
-Family Vacation
-Pet Friendly Vacation
-Gay Friendly
New Orleans Nightlife-Winner- better in every category
-Happy Hour
-Music Scene
-Singles Scene
-Sports Bars
-Cocktail Lounges San Francisco Nightlife--worse in every category
New Orleans CultureWinner
-Street Performers
-Historic Sites
-Free Attractions
San Francisco Culture
-Museums
-Theater/Performance Art
-Classical Music
New Orleans Shopping Winner(I highly disagree here BTW)
-Independant Boutiques
-Flea Markets
-Antique Shops
San Francisco Shopping (Again I highly disagree)
-Luxury Stores
-Home Decor and Design Stores
New Orleans FoodWinner
-Fine Dining (could Michelin or Forbes be out of touch???)
-BBQ
-Hamburgers
-Cafes
-Coffee
San Francisco Food
-Pizza
-Ethnic Food
-Street Food
-Microbrew
-Ice Cream
San Francisco Visitor ExperienceWinner
-Cleanliness
-Safety
-Wireless Coverage
-Public Park
-Quietness
-Public Transit
-Environmental Friendliness
New Orleans Visitor Experience
-Architecture
-Range of Hotel Options
-Affordability
-People Watching
New Orleans Best Times to VisitWinner
-Fall
-Spring Break
-Winter
-Christmas
-New Year's Eve
-Valentine's Day
San Francisco Best Times to Visit
-Summer
-4th of July
OVERALL: New Orleans-WINNER
San Francisco-LOSER
I disagree with some of this, but for the most part, this is how I'd score it as well.
Let's not kid ourselves into thinking everyone in San Francisco is thriving and succeeding. Just like not everyone in New Orleans is drinking and partying.
You realize that this survey is of random people who voluntarily submitted to T&L, right? As such, it is not scientific in the least. In fact, it doesn't even offer a valid comparison. The submissions are not comparing one city to another. They are only ranking a single city's amenities, by sampling different groups of people. All kinds of problems arise when you try to cross up that kind of data and draw random comparison conclusions.
For instance, your observation about "fine dining"-- Say some family from Arkansas goes to New Orleans and has a meal at a decent restaurant. To them, it's fine dining. They submit their T&L survey on dining in New Orleans, giving it 5-stars for fine dining. But, they have never been to SF. They are not making a comparison. It's simply the impression they got with no one even qualifying their individual experience.
Your point that New Orleans is much more than partying in the Quarter is valid and I agree with it, but this survey does nothing to support it.
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