New Orleans vs San Francisco (living, state, better, compare)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by MidtownMars

Near perfect climate?

Yes, San Francisco is one of the most climatically comfortable cities in the world.

According to city-data

The Pacific air keeps the temperatures generally moderate, rarely ranging above 75 degrees or below 45 degrees, leading San Francisco to be called "the air-conditioned city." The climate is very similar to coastal areas on the Mediterranean.

http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/T...d-Climate.html

People in NY and London set their AC to SF's normal temperature.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

Manhattan is technically not a city, but it functions as its own entity within NYC. Many Manhattanites have never been to the outer borroughs and vice versa.

I'd be sure to read the fine print before I signed the lease to an acceptable apartment in Brooklyn that's less than $1500.

Hoboken? That's Jersey.

People from Manhattan have been to other borroughs. That's bull. Maybe they haven't been to certain areas or burbs but to say that they have never left Manahattan isn't correct.

There are plenty of places in Brooklyn under $1500 that I've found. Courtesy of Trulia.

I know Hoboken is Jersey, but it offers much of the same lifestyle that San Francisco does, no?

Originally Posted by dalparadise

Yes, unfortunately, very modest apartments cost $1800 and up in SF. The median in my neighborhood is $3100 per month for a 1BR. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. I don't understand your statement that "it's irrelevant that jobs pay so well if you can't afford to live". That's confusing. The reason I can afford to live here is because my job pays well!

I provided a link to a job board listing everything from entry-level to higher level jobs and the average salary offered was $79,000.

SF may seem out of reach by New Orleans standards, but people here are not bound by New Orleans limitations. Educational attainment is much higher here--it actually is just barely a majority of people over 25 years old at 50.1%. So, you just missed on that as well.

Let me try to clarify. Is it possible for someone, with no professional career or experience, to get a decent job, and able to live in the city? I'm not talking about an IT grad. That is what is available in New Orleans.

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

lol@ the desperate hostility.


Oakland is Beverly Hills compared to the 917. You guys own the patent and take the cake when it comes to the word 'slummy'.


Actually sugar plum, according the 2012 Census Bureau American Factfinder:

Households Earning $200,000+ Annually, 2012
Oakland city, California 10,545
New Orleans, Louisiana 7,097

Oakland is the 8th largest city in California, but has the 5th highest concentration of $200,000+ income households among CA's 10 Largest Cities, behind Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and San Diego.

I do appreciate you bringing up my favorite topic. Thanks, keep it coming.


Yes, it's quite glorious.

Anyway, here are the Census Tracts of the Oakland Hills(Upper and Lower) as well as desirable adjacent neighborhoods around Lake Merritt and North Oakland.

Tract/Pop./Neighborhood/Average Family Income 2011
4001 2,937 Panoramic Hill $267,796
4002 1,974 Rockridge $260,309
4003 4,865 Shafter/Rockridge $162,272
4004 3,703 Fairview Park $140,987
4005 3,517 Bushrod $98,951
4006 1,571 Bushrod $84,440
4036 4,482 Adams Point $82,802
4037.01 2,587 Adams Point $104,255
4037.02 1,724 Adams Point $77,552
4038 3,461 Lakeshore $164,814
4039 3,584 Grand Lake $104,021
4040 2,819 Piedmont Av $109,272
4041.01 2,929 Piedmont Av $130,406
4041.02 2,283 Piedmont Av $103,858
4042 3,483 Upper Rockridge $245,898
4043 3,218 Upper Rockridge $333,917
4044 5,314 Glen Highlands/ Merriewood $199,525
4045.01 1,677 Montclair $235,141
4045.02 5,784 Montclair $165,292
4046 4,353 Piedmont Pines $208,781
4047 1,954 Oakmore $149,421
4048 2,684 Upper Fruitvale $133,317
4049 4,129 Glenview $116,097
4050 3,136 Glenview-Trestle Glen $175,280
4051 4,197 Crocker Highlands/ Trestle Glen $238,859
4052 4,597 Cleveland Heights $93,379
4053.01 2,603 Cleveland Heights $74,846
4067 5,048 Upper Dimond/Lincoln Highlnads $125,979
4068 3,428 Upper Laurel $97,593
4069 3,719 Redwood Heights $125,564
4079 2,706 Redwood Heights $106,163
4080 2,671 Woodminster/ Crestmont $132,512
4081 4,991 Caballo Hills/ Skyline-Hillcrest Estates $159,918
4099 3,308 Sequoyah $136,154
4100 2,805 Chabot Park $106,403
4238 2,925 Claremont $251,500
4261 5,922 Piedmont $331,796
4262 4,745 Piedmont $236,094

This area^ is all connected, covers the entire length of the city from one end to the other and are long time established and affluent/upwardly mobile neighborhoods that were wealthy and desirable prior to the current surge in hipsters in downtown(which isn't really included in this list but that downtown also has pretty impressive information as well) and West Oakland and the waterfront.

Many of these neighborhoods are racially diverse and 4099 and 4100 have Black majorities:
4099 3,308 Sequoyah $136,154
4100 2,805 Chabot Park $106,403

So we also have established and affluent predominantly Black neighborhoods as well in Oakland.

I'd be happy to provide any more info about any of these wonderful and delightful Oakland neighborhoods. Thanks.

Heh, how is he going to process all these figures when he can't understand how someone can travel 56 miles by car on a route that's 90% highway in about an hour?

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

I know Hoboken is Jersey, but it offers much of the same lifestyle that San Francisco does, no?

So now you are trying to talk about TWO places you have never been?!? Dude, seriously. Just stop.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by dalparadise

So now you are trying to talk about TWO places you have never been?!? Dude, seriously. Just stop.

Can you answer the question? Doesn't look like you can..

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

Can you answer the question? Doesn't look like you can..

Fine. The answer is no. Why would you assume Hoboken is like SF?

And I have been to Hoboken.

[MidtownMars]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes, San Francisco is one of the most climatically comfortable cities in the world.

According to city-data


http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/T...d-Climate.html

People in NY and London set their AC to SF's normal temperature.

According to Weather.com, SF averages a high of 64 degrees and average low of around 52 degrees. In fact it rarely ever gets significantly over 70 and thats generally only in September.

Monthly Averages for San Francisco, CA - weather.com

Wear not even talking about the overall fogginess there either. Thats not "perfect weather". Thats chilly. All year chilly.

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

People from Manhattan have been to other borroughs. That's bull. Maybe they haven't been to certain areas or burbs but to say that they have never left Manahattan isn't correct.

I never said no one from Manhattan has been to the outer 4. I said that many haven't, unless you count going to JFK or LaGuardia. Go to the NYC forum and ask them if you don't believe me.

You have no idea how many Manhattanites I've met that don't have any borough but their own on their radar.

There are plenty of places in Brooklyn under $1500 that I've found. Courtesy of Trulia.

I don't doubt it, but 9 times out of 10 that price tag will come with some compromises. I'm sure of that. You're talking to someone who's actually in the process of moving to New York.

[18Montclair]

So I just noticed that New Orleans is 59% Black whereas Oakland is 25% Black. Since I brought up the predominantly Black neighborhoods in Oakland that are also affluent, Could anyone share with us the New Orleans' predominantly wealthy Black neighborhoods called so I may research them? I find the topic of high income minority dominant areas to be very interesting. Thanks in advance.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by MidtownMars

According to Weather.com, SF averages a high of 64 degrees and average low of around 52 degrees. In fact it rarely ever gets significantly over 70 and thats generally only in September.

Monthly Averages for San Francisco, CA - weather.com

Wear not even talking about the overall fogginess there either. Thats not "perfect weather". Thats chilly. All year chilly.

It's actually quite comfortable most of the time compared to any of the cities I mentioned-we are so lucky.