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Beacuse the bronx does not have all the cultural and urban amentities that cities have. Does the Bronx have a CBD? Numerous museums?
You are equating urban - density. THat is not what urban is. Denstiy is just part of it.
The CBD part is a "win" for Chicago. The Bronx obviously doesn't have one. But Chicago's CBD is not large enough, imo, to compensate for the additional 45 sq. miles of the Bronx that are much more urban than anything in Chicago.
Museums have nothing to do with how "urban" a place is.
And I never equated density with urbanity. The Bronx is not more urban than Chicago simply because it's denser. The Bronx also has neighborhood after neighborhood of 6 to 7 story buildings all packed together. Chicago has nothing like that.
The CBD part is a "win" for Chicago. The Bronx obviously doesn't have one. But Chicago's CBD is not large enough, imo, to compensate for the additional 45 sq. miles of the Bronx that are much more urban than anything in Chicago.
Museums have nothing to do with how "urban" a place is.
And I never equated density with urbanity. The Bronx is not more urban than Chicago simply because it's denser. The Bronx also has neighborhood after neighborhood of 6 to 7 story buildings all packed together. Chicago has nothing like that.
So what do you find is more of a total urban experience the Bronx or Chicago? You mean to tell me that museums, CBD, nightlife, shopping, food, universities in Chicago, etc, can't be compared to the Bronx? That they don't count in Chicago becuase it's more spread out? So the Bronx is more of total package and provides more of the urban lifestyle and experience?
So what do you find is more of a total urban experience the Bronx or Chicago? You mean to tell me that museums, CBD, nightlife, shopping, food, universities in Chicago, etc, can't be compared to the Bronx? That they don't count in Chicago becuase it's more spread out? So the Bronx is more of total package and provides more of the urban lifestyle and experience?
I think, yes, you can argue all these things, but I think you're just making this argument because the Bronx is clearly so much more dense.
For example, if we had a "Chicago vs. San Jose" urbanity thread, you would agree that San Jose has comparable urbanity to Chicago because of Stanford and Bay Area cuisine? I find this hard to believe.
Chicago clearly demolishes Silicon Valley in urbanity, even if there are certain amenities that may be comparable or better in Silicon Valley.
I think, yes, you can argue all these things, but I think you're just making this argument because the Bronx is clearly so much more dense.
For example, if we had a "Chicago vs. San Jose" urbanity thread, you would agree that San Jose has comparable urbanity to Chicago because of Stanford and Bay Area cuisine? I find this hard to believe.
Chicago clearly demolishes Silicon Valley in urbanity, even if there are certain amenities that may be comparable or better in Silicon Valley.
Hold on though, but I would never be arrogant enough to compare Chicago to the Bay Area Metro/Silicon Valley. I would compare Chicago to San Francisco, or to San Jose or to Oakland. Just as it's pretty arrogant to compare a borough to an entire city.....
You keep saying the Bronx is more dense. OK? and? Urban means "city like" and density is just one factor. The is more to cities than just density.
So what do you find is more of a total urban experience the Bronx or Chicago?
The Bronx.
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You mean to tell me that museums, CBD, nightlife, shopping, food, universities in Chicago, etc, can't be compared to the Bronx?
I said that the CBD could be considered a "win" for Chicago. But outside of that 1.58 sq. mile area, it's a landslide. Nightlife, shopping, food, etc. have little to do with "urbanity," which I associate primarily with land use.
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That they don't count in Chicago becuase it's more spread out? So the Bronx is more of total package and provides more of the urban lifestyle and experience?
Who said anything about "total package?" I said the Bronx is more urban. That, imo, is a very benign and uncontroversial statement.
I said that the CBD could be considered a "win" for Chicago. But outside of that 1.58 sq. mile area, it's a landslide. Nightlife, shopping, food, etc. have little to do with "urbanity," which I associate primarily with land use.
Who said anything about "total package?" I said the Bronx is more urban. That, imo, is a very benign and uncontroversial statement.
In "real life," nobody would be discussing any of the things we talk about on C-D. That's what makes it C-D.
I've had short "urbanity" conversations with someone who moved from (and was born in & has family in) New York City to Chicago. Comments on such things parking lots in surprising places, less crowds, what locals think of "city" is different from what she's used to. Obviously not to the detail that one would find on CD, some of these differences are obvious and enough to make small talk to someone used to the other city.
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