Cleveland vs. Boston (highest, ranking, states, metro)
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Just because Boston has more medical schools and hospitals related to them, doesn't mean Boston's better than Cleveland for medical care... Cleveland Clinic, which is a city-within-a-city, is one of the largest institutions of it's type in the nations. CC not only has this, plus large campuses all around Cleveland, it has campuses in different locations around the country, like in South Florida.... But you don't even bother to mention University Hospitals, another huge and well-respected institution just up the street and affiliated with highly-respected Case Western Reserve University. UH competes with CC all around greater Cleveland...Now we're getting the Medical Mart Convention center; we also are THE largest medical supplies builder in the nation.
I respect Boston for a lot of things, and overall, as I've said before, Boston gets the nod over Cleveland... But let's not just blindly pump up Boston for areas allegedly superior to Cleveland where it doesn't deserve it; and medicine, overall, isn't one of them... Sure the NAME Harvard and MGH scream prestige to the world... but much of that IS because of the NAME Harvard... Cleveland Clinic has a gigantic presence and name and it's NOT directly attached/affiliated with ANY University.
Cleveland definatly trumps Boston in Medical care it only falls short in Cancer, Childerns, Respitory, infecous deisese, and everything that's not cardaic care.
Just because Boston has more medical schools and hospitals related to them, doesn't mean Boston's better than Cleveland for medical care... Cleveland Clinic, which is a city-within-a-city, is one of the largest institutions of it's type in the nations. CC not only has this, plus large campuses all around Cleveland, it has campuses in different locations around the country, like in South Florida.... But you don't even bother to mention University Hospitals, another huge and well-respected institution just up the street and affiliated with highly-respected Case Western Reserve University. UH competes with CC all around greater Cleveland...Now we're getting the Medical Mart Convention center; we also are THE largest medical supplies builder in the nation.
I respect Boston for a lot of things, and overall, as I've said before, Boston gets the nod over Cleveland... But let's not just blindly pump up Boston for areas allegedly superior to Cleveland where it doesn't deserve it; and medicine, overall, isn't one of them... Sure the NAME Harvard and MGH scream prestige to the world... but much of that IS because of the NAME Harvard... Cleveland Clinic has a gigantic presence and name and it's NOT directly attached/affiliated with ANY University.
Give it up, Boston-a-files.
Agree with this. The Cleveland Clinic is simply world reknowned and the Heart Clinic is generally considered to be tops in the world. The Cleveland Clinic's satellite research facilities feed and impact health care systems across the Midwest, and the US for that matter. Also, good call on the University hospitals; well-regarded in their own right.
I've never been to Cleveland, but from everything I've seen or read about it, I suspect it is a pretty cool city, one where I could probably enjoy living. So it's not like this is a comparison between Boston and, say, Des Moines. But still, any objective review of the items up for comparison in this thread will list Boston first on most of them. That shouldn't be viewed as a negative. Cleveland probably beats most places on these comparisons, it just doesn't beat Boston.
Just because Boston has more medical schools and hospitals related to them, doesn't mean Boston's better than Cleveland for medical care... Cleveland Clinic, which is a city-within-a-city, is one of the largest institutions of it's type in the nations. CC not only has this, plus large campuses all around Cleveland, it has campuses in different locations around the country, like in South Florida.... But you don't even bother to mention University Hospitals, another huge and well-respected institution just up the street and affiliated with highly-respected Case Western Reserve University. UH competes with CC all around greater Cleveland
I respect Boston for a lot of things, and overall, as I've said before, Boston gets the nod over Cleveland... But let's not just blindly pump up Boston for areas allegedly superior to Cleveland where it doesn't deserve it; and medicine, overall, isn't one of them... Sure the NAME Harvard and MGH scream prestige to the world... but much of that IS because of the NAME Harvard... Cleveland Clinic has a gigantic presence and name and it's NOT directly attached/affiliated with ANY University.
You suggested Boston is only perceived to be better when it comes to the medical field due to the "Harvard name" earlier in the thread. You sounded like a fool then, and the fact that you've repeated yourself makes you sound like an even bigger fool now.
Again, the US News & World Report Honor Roll lists:
2. Mass General Hospital, 29 Points
4. Cleveland Clinic, 26 Points
8. Brigham and Women's, 18 points
1. Boston 100
2. Philadelphia 97.7
3. San Francisco 92.1
4. New York 92
5. Raleigh-Durham 88.2
6. Los Angeles 86.8
7. Chicago 80.1
8. San Diego 78.7
9. Minneapolis 78.2
10. Washington DC 74.8
11. Seattle 69.2
Not only is Boston #1, but there is also no mention of Cleveland. This study takes into account "biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, life sciences R&D, medical devices, and health care services".
Still not convinced? For 16 consecutive years, Boston has led the nation in NIH (National Institutes of Health) funding, the NIH funds various institutions and universities for medical research. In 2009, Boston received a record $2.4 Billion. Last year, they received $2.1 Billion. Comparatively, the entire state of Ohio received $778 Million last year.
How about private presence? Boston is home to biotechnology/pharmaceutical giants Genzyme, Biogen Idec, Novartis (US R&D HQ), Millenium Pharmaceuticals, Vertex Pharma, and Cubist Pharma, among others. According to this list, 5 of the 25 largest biotech companies in the world are in the Boston area. The Boston area also has major presence from companies like GlaxoSmithKline and MerckSerono in the form of US HQs and R&D operations.
Of course schools like Harvard and MIT planted the seed long ago that Boston is an area for top minds to join...but Boston isn't known for being the top medical hub in the country and possibly world solely because of the Harvard name.
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...Now we're getting the Medical Mart Convention center; we also are THE largest medical supplies builder in the nation.
Says who? As far as I can see, the major medical supplies company in the Cleveland area is Invacare, a very respectable company specializing in wheelchairs and . I know Cardinal Health is in Ohio, but it appears to be HQ'd near Columbus, not Cleveland. Is there something I'm missing? Boston area has two medical device giants in Covidien and Boston Scientific. Until I hear otherwise, Boston has a pretty large advantage over Cleveland in terms of medical instruments.
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Give it up, Boston-a-files.
Give up what? A category which Boston absolutely dominates? Maybe Cleveland needs to realize their place in the pecking order when it comes to healthcare.
Also, you mentioned that Cleveland Clinic is like a "city within a city". To a degree, the same could be said about Mass General, albeit a very dense city since it's right next to downtown Boston: Thanks, Mass General, Mass Ear & Eye, with Spaulding Rehab in the background
Longwood Medical Area, home to Dana Farber, Brigham and Women's, Joslin Diabetes, Beth Israel, and Harvard Medical
That's only one section...here's the other part, which you can start to see at the top of the previous picture... Thanks
I think everyone realizes the prestige of the the Cleveland Clinic, but it does not appear that Cleveland has another institution to match against two nationally-ranked powerhouse medical institutions -- Mass General and Brigham & Women's.
I've never been to Cleveland, but from everything I've seen or read about it, I suspect it is a pretty cool city, one where I could probably enjoy living. So it's not like this is a comparison between Boston and, say, Des Moines. But still, any objective review of the items up for comparison in this thread will list Boston first on most of them. That shouldn't be viewed as a negative. Cleveland probably beats most places on these comparisons, it just doesn't beat Boston.
Thanks. BTW, Boston is by far my favorite American east coast city. I've passed up trips to NYC so I could do Boston instead.
If you ever visit Cleveland and need suggestions, feel free to message me!
Cleveland Clinic is a fantastic institution, but it alone cannot match up with the lineup Boston can throw at anyone. No other city in the country receives more NIH funding than Boston, Boston alone secures more than the entire State of Ohio.
Also while CC is already a global brand, so is Partners Healthcare which is the system that runs MGH and BWH.
Check out the link for projects around the world Partners International has worked in. I know this because I was part of the team that worked on both the Acibadem Healthcare Group project in Istanbul and The Lebanese American University Project in Beirut.
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