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Urban code is fine ijs the difference between downtown Bmore and inner harbor is noticeable if you know. The vibe is very different- if it weren’t that different I’d be more like yea whatever it’s all the same.
Can't the vibe be different all-over different parts of downtown? Isn't that why downtowns have different neighborhoods?
They can be and usually area which is when the "different neighborhood" distinction starts to be made.
Indeed.
Center City Philadelphia is itself divided into the following distinct neighborhoods, seven (or eight, or nine, depending on how you define them) in all:
Old City
Society Hill
Chinatown
Washington Square West (the Gayborhood is a sub-neighborhood within it)
Avenue of the Arts (South Broad Street)
Logan Square
Rittenhouse Square
Fitler Square (some consider this a sub-neighborhood of Rittenhouse Square)
Once you go below top10 or top15, individual NYC neighborhoods in outer boroughs would start making the list. I am sure, for example, Flushing, Queens is probably a top20 downtown area. You can at least make a credible argument. Then you have areas like Jamaica. Not many people know this but Jamaica is the 3rd busiest rail hub in the US (only behind Penn Station and Grand Central in Manhattan). It is actually busier than any other station outside of NYC. Things like that are hard to weigh/judge.
Yeah, this is true. Many individual NYC neighborhoods are much more busy, bustling and vibrant, than mid to some large downtowns of US cities.
Add in Long Island City, Jackson Heights, definitely Flushing, and Jamaica in Queens, and downtown Brooklyn, Dumbo, the northside of Williamsburg, Greenpoint, even Bed Stuy in parts, etc, and their vibrancy, density and activity surpasses many downtowns.
Can't the vibe be different all-over different parts of downtown? Isn't that why downtowns have different neighborhoods?
Downtown Baltimores is downtown Baltimore. Downtown is a single neighborhood. Now if you want to say urban core okay. But be consistent.
The fact do the matter is unlike Center City Downtown Baltimore isn’t decided into several subsections and there is no umbrella term for it all. By Joakims own admission and with personnel added statement- no one in Baltimore calls the Inner Harbor downtown. So why are we even still talking?
It’s not downtown. Inner Harbor is not downtown either.
Otterbein is also a sleepy residential area basically devoid of commerce- it is really not downtown. That’d be like me calling a Bay Village in Boston “downtown”
Fed Hill- not downtown this would be like me calling the South End of Boston “downtown”,
station arts- not downtown- that’s one so far removed idk what I’d even call this…
Yeah, this is true. Many individual NYC neighborhoods are much more busy, bustling and vibrant, than mid to some large downtowns of US cities.
Add in Long Island City, Jackson Heights, definitely Flushing, and Jamaica in Queens, and downtown Brooklyn, Dumbo, the northside of Williamsburg, Greenpoint, even Bed Stuy in parts, etc, and their vibrancy, density and activity surpasses many downtowns.
What about Astoria? Astoria's more vibrant than Jamaica with way more fun "going out" options.
Regarding Jamaica, not surprising at all that its the 3rd busiest rail hub in the US. Reason being is it's the main transfer point for the nation's largest commuter railroad (LIRR) for all trains leaving Penn going east.
What locals say and how it functions as a city center are different things.
But all of those neighborhoods have different functions and vibes.
Downtown is most residential apartments and low end retail. A few older hotels but still not a tourist area.
Harbor East is mostly high end entertainment and dining and very little in way of residence other tho an the new Avalon. Tourist area. One office and one hotel.
Inner harbor isn’t residential at all and is all retail, hotels, and food. Tourist area.
Fed hill is mostly residential SFHs but also a tourist area and nightlife area. No offices or hotels.
Otterbein is totally residential, no commercial. Not a tourist areas. No offices or hotels.
Station North is an arts district, and it looks it. Not a tourist area. More mixed use no offices or hotels.
And secondly why are we rewarding ignorance. Asked what is one of American top 10 downtowns… Baltimores downtown is not one of them.
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What about Astoria? Astoria's more vibrant than Jamaica with way more fun "going out" options.
Regarding Jamaica, not surprising at all that its the 3rd busiest rail hub in the US. Reason being is it's the main transfer point for the nation's largest commuter railroad (LIRR) for all trains leaving Penn going east.
There are some areas in Brooklyn probably more vibrant than Astoria. Sunset Park or even Bay Ridge come to mind. lol Although most of those neighborhoods are low rise, they are dense as hell.
There are some areas in Brooklyn probably more vibrant than Astoria. Sunset Park or even Bay Ridge come to mind. lol Although most of those neighborhoods are low rise, they are dense as hell.
I was comparing Jamaica and Queens neighborhoods. Astoria > Jamaica for vibrancy. And regarding Sunset Park, I'd still take Astoria over it for vibrancy and "going out" options as well.
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