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So, new 3 year estimates came out from the American Community Survey 2009-2011, where again, on a state level the Hispanic level of both Texas and California are both deadlocked at 37.7%.
However, based on the city's general metro region in each state, here's what it looks like:
Cities with MSA's/CSA's with 1 million+
San Antonio, TX MSA - 54.1% Hispanic
Fresno, CA CSA - 50.8% Hispanic
Los Angeles, CA CSA - 45.0% Hispanic
Houston, TX CSA - 35.2% Hispanic
San Diego, CA MSA - 32.1% Hispanic
Austin, TX CSA - 31.2% Hispanic
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA - 26.8% Hispanic
SF Bay Area, CA CSA - 24.1% Hispanic
Sacramento, CA CSA - 20.0% Hispanic
Cities with MSA's/CSA's with 500,000-1 million
McAllen, TX MSA - 90.6% Hispanic
El Paso, TX MSA - 81.9% Hispanic
Bakersfield, CA MSA - 49.3% Hispanic
Modesto, CA MSA - 42.0% Hispanic
Stockton, CA MSA - 38.9% Hispanic
LA has more Hispanics over larger area than anywhere in Texas. But SA has the highest percentage. Both seem to have a large Urban and Rural Hispanic populations.
LA has more Hispanics over larger area than anywhere in Texas. But SA has the highest percentage. Both seem to have a large Urban and Rural Hispanic populations.
Over a larger area? Nearly the whole US-Mexican border in TX is more than 80% Hispanic, and covers a MUCH larger area than the LA area as a whole.
Maybe you meant over population?
Anyways, maybe its a result of me having a bunch of Hispanic friends or living in LA or whatever, but I've been digging Mexican rock lately.
That song is stuck in my head for some reason. It's also played on regular radio every once in a while, even on non-Spanish stations (I heard it on KROQ once)
That song is stuck in my head for some reason. It's also played on regular radio every once in a while, even on non-Spanish stations (I heard it on KROQ once)
Yeah, I meant BOTH population wise and geographically as far as metro areas go. Greater LA geographically is larger than any one CSA in Texas, and Greater LA is larger in population. So over a long area(as far as CSA's go) and population wise, LA has more Hispanics than any metro in Texas. And nice song. Now that song is stuck in my head. I never heard of the group, but I enjoyed the song. Looks like early-90's, post 80's-hair rock but Mexican style post-80's hair rock. I liked the song though. Nice post.
Yeah, I meant BOTH population wise and geographically as far as metro areas go. Greater LA geographically is larger than any one CSA in Texas, and Greater LA is larger in population. So over a long area(as far as CSA's go) and population wise, LA has more Hispanics than any metro in Texas. And nice song. Now that song is stuck in my head. I never heard of the group, but I enjoyed the song. Looks like early-90's, post 80's-hair rock but Mexican style post-80's hair rock. I liked the song though. Nice post.
I guess that makes sense. Won't really dispute it.
Mana is actually a pretty well known group in Mexico. It's basically their equivalent of a band like Nirvana here (same time period too), being just as famous and having the same type of grungy lyrics. Late 80s-early 90s rock seems to be VERY popular among my age demographic in LA's Hispanic community. Most of the punk rockers and heavy metal fiends that I know are Hispanic.
Heck, Carlos Santana grew up mostly in California (was born in Mexico, but was raised in San Francisco) and became a very large pop culture icon.
God, I can't get enough of that guitar work. Sort of wished I was talented enough to do that. Oh well.
Just to show Texas Hispanics some love, Selena came from there (Houston area IIRC). Almost everyone knows her English songs (especially 'Dreaming of You"), but if you listen to her Spanish songs, damn its deep. Too bad her life ended so early
I guess that makes sense. Won't really dispute it.
Mana is actually a pretty well known group in Mexico. It's basically their equivalent of a band like Nirvana here (same time period too), being just as famous and having the same type of grungy lyrics. Late 80s-early 90s rock seems to be VERY popular among my age demographic in LA's Hispanic community. Most of the punk rockers and heavy metal fiends that I know are Hispanic.
Heck, Carlos Santana grew up mostly in California (was born in Mexico, but was raised in San Francisco) and became a very large pop culture icon.
God, I can't get enough of that guitar work. Sort of wished I was talented enough to do that. Oh well.
Just to show Texas Hispanics some love, Selena came from there (Houston area IIRC). Almost everyone knows her English songs (especially 'Dreaming of You"), but if you listen to her Spanish songs, damn its deep. Too bad her life ended so early
90's rock is popular among Hispanics your age? How old are you? But it seems like Alternative rock(TRUE Alternative, not the radio stuff) is starting to get re-popularized all over America, but on the underground level. And Maria Maria is a classic. And selena would've been huge had she not died.
90's rock is popular among Hispanics your age? How old are you? But it seems like Alternative rock(TRUE Alternative, not the radio stuff) is starting to get re-popularized all over America, but on the underground level. And Maria Maria is a classic. And selena would've been huge had she not died.
I'm 23. One of those people who've lived in 4 different decades, 2 different centuries, and 2 different millenniums.
I mean, most people have individual tastes and everyone typically likes everything. However I'd say the predominant music genre in LA amongst people in their early 20s is EDM. But among the backyard and underground alternative and heavy metal show I've been to, it was very Hispanic. Much more so than most people expect.
In terms of numbers? It would be close. But the Texas Mexican influence is comparatively recent.
In terms of history/culture? Easily, California. The Spanish/Mexican culture never played a central role in the development of Texas...which was (and mostly still is) a Southern state. It was the black/white duality that played the central role in Texas politics, culture, etc.
California, on the other hand, while a magnet for anglo settlement at one time, always had a much more rooted and dominating Hispanic population.
In terms of numbers? It would be close. But the Texas Mexican influence is comparatively recent.
In terms of history/culture? Easily, California. The Spanish/Mexican culture never played a central role in the development of Texas...which was (and mostly still is) a Southern state. It was the black/white duality that played the central role in Texas politics, culture, etc.
California, on the other hand, while a magnet for anglo settlement at one time, always had a much more rooted and dominating Hispanic population.
^ This
California has had Mexican influence much longer, way before it became a state. Of course, Texas has a massive Mexican influence as well, just visit El Paso
I think California is more diverse so the influence has been spread around more than in Texas? There are more different hispanic cultures in CA than in Texas too. That has to count for something. So in terms of strictly Mexican influence: Nowadays it's Texas, historically it's California.
But one thing is certain: The Mexican food is waaaaay better in California
In terms of numbers? It would be close. But the Texas Mexican influence is comparatively recent.
In terms of history/culture? Easily, California. The Spanish/Mexican culture never played a central role in the development of Texas...which was (and mostly still is) a Southern state. It was the black/white duality that played the central role in Texas politics, culture, etc.
California, on the other hand, while a magnet for anglo settlement at one time, always had a much more rooted and dominating Hispanic population.
What's this concrete past you speak of? There's a lot of people saying that in this thread, without really specifying what it is.
Both California and Texas were on the periphery of both the Spanish Empire AND the Mexican Republic (once it became independent in 1821). Being the colonial borderlands, they weren't heavily settled by the Spanish except for New Mexico because of logistical concerns, but they both had missions (to convert natives to Catholicism) and presidios (to protect against other European nations, namely Russia in the case of California and France in the case of Texas).
There were 21 missions in California
Map of the California Missions | California Missions Resource Center
and 35 in Texas
The Spanish Missions in Texas | Texas Almanac
In terms of American era history, both states really started receiving Mexican migrants after the Mexican Revolution.
The only decades in the past century that Hispanics made up a larger population by percentage in California than Texas was in 1990 and 2000, and even then, it was both by less than half a percentage point.
A huge reason that the Anglo Texans revolted against Mexico in the mid-1830s was over the institution of slavery. The Mexican government prohibited slavery within its borders, but many of the Anglo settlers brought their slaves over from the rest of the south to work. The Mexican government didn't want slavery to expand (though they had no problem with campesinos working in large haciendas).
FREE BLACKS | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)
Well, here's another surprising thing about Texas demographic history: from maybe around 1850 until 1960, Texas Blacks outnumbered Texas Hispanics. However, since its relatively difficult to find concrete numbers, here's a graph enumerating what I mean.
Texas Politics - Racial and Ethnic Population Trends in Texas, 1850-2000
Blacks are very much part of the Texas millieu. Even during the Spanish colonial era, there was a fair amount of mulattoes and Blacks who lived on the territory of present day Texas. However, again, it's not like its a large amount of people/
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Today, they might be even. Texas and California have been able to diversify their image enough so that one ethnic group doesn't set the tone for the entire state. Not the case with the other two border states, and Arizona has constantly been in the news for Hispanic immigration, overshadowing the other three. California is more diverse overall because of its access to the Pacific, while Texas' access to the Gulf mainly gives it access to the Latin American countries.
Well, New Mexico is relatively diverse in itself, with a huge number of Native Americans, Hispanics, and Anglo-Americans. It's an interesting cultural mix, not to mention all the relatively undiscovered historic architecture (both Spanish and Native American). Though, in terms of recent international migration, it's still small in both proportion and number. Arizona, well that's a special story. Those two states should be for another thread.
As for California and Texas, again, both have always been diverse states (Texas has been enumerated in the above). Saying that it isn't is plain wrong.
Interestingly, more of California's Hispanic population is not Mexican as opposed to Texas' Hispanic population, though that is changing in of itself.
California Mexicans: 11,423,146 (81.5% of Hispanics)
Texas Mexicans: 7,951,193 (84.0% of Hispanics)
Yup, while California in the American era until 1965 was, as I like to put it, artificially made Anglo.
Five Views: An Ethnic Historic Site Survey for California (Mexican Americans)
In 1850, California was around 15% Hispanic (not only Mexican, but there were plenty of Chilean miners who participated in the Gold Rush as well), but fell to around only 4% by 1870.
Unlike Texas, where Non-Hispanic Whites never exceeded 75% of the population, Non-Hispanic White California made up an overwhelming 93% of the population by 1910 due to continual Anglo migration and the deportation and forced stoppage of migration of Asians into California.
Even going into the 1950s and 1960s, California Non-Hispanic Whites made up more than 80-85% of the population.
So what seems extremely natural now (large Hispanic and Asian population) wasn't so just a half century ago.
That's why I don't read population projections anymore
Before around 1950, Texas actually had MORE Hispanics than California did. California did a relatively good job on not only settling Anglo Whites here, but also making sure that Asians and Hispanics wouldn't move here.
In fact, in 1910, California was 93% Non-Hispanic White. There is no point in Texan history where Texas was as monocultural as California.
Nowadays is a different animal.
I don't get how Texas Hispanics are a more recent phenomenon when in fact, more of California's Hispanic population is foreign born by percentage than Texas'?
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