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You see my data above for a population of Chicago totaling 1.3 million people that has a homicide rate that is less than San Jose, CA. Furthermore to illustrate my fact about comparing it to the real homicide capital of the US, Detroit, let's take the absolute worst areas of Chicago for 2006-2013, sorted by homicide rate per 100k descending. Add them up to get a population that is closest to Detroit, or 713,777. Then we can compare the rates. Detroit's rate in 2012 was 54.6 per 100k:
* West Garfield Park | 18001 people | 77.08 per 100k rate avg
* Washington Park | 11717 people | 69.34 per 100k rate avg
* Englewood | 30654 people | 63.61 per 100k rate avg
* West Englewood | 35505 people | 62.32 per 100k rate avg
* Greater Grand Crossing | 32602 people | 62.11 per 100k rate avg
* Riverdale | 6482 people | 57.85 per 100k rate avg
* Burnside | 2916 people | 55.73 per 100k rate avg
* East Garfield Park | 20567 people | 50.44 per 100k rate avg
* North Lawndale | 35912 people | 49.77 per 100k rate avg
* West Pullman | 29651 people | 45.11 per 100k rate avg
* Chatham | 31028 people | 42.7 per 100k rate avg
* South Chicago | 31198 people | 40.87 per 100k rate avg
* Fuller Park | 2876 people | 39.12 per 100k rate avg
* Humboldt Park | 56323 people | 39.06 per 100k rate avg
* Woodlawn | 25983 people | 38.49 per 100k rate avg
* South Shore | 49767 people | 37.68 per 100k rate avg
* Roseland | 44619 people | 36.98 per 100k rate avg
* Grand Boulevard | 21929 people | 36.48 per 100k rate avg
* Auburn Gresham | 48743 people | 35.39 per 100k rate avg
* New City | 44377 people | 34.36 per 100k rate avg
* Austin | 98514 people | 34.26 per 100k rate avg
* Avalon Park | 10185 people | 30.68 per 100k rate avg
* Washington Heights | 26493 people | 30.67 per 100k rate avg * TOTAL | 716,042 people | 43.4 per 100k rate avg
Even the absolute worst areas of Chicago in the last 8 years still have a lower homicide rate than Detroit, of similar size by 11.2 per 100K people. This is also including all the good areas of Detroit - which in the data above includes no total "good" areas of Chicago which you can see in my previous post.
You see my data above for a population of Chicago totaling 1.3 million people that has a homicide rate that is less than San Jose, CA. Furthermore to illustrate my fact about comparing it to the real homicide capital of the US, Detroit, let's take the absolute worst areas of Chicago for 2006-2013, sorted by homicide rate per 100k descending. Add them up to get a population that is closest to Detroit, or 713,777. Then we can compare the rates. Detroit's rate in 2012 was 54.6 per 100k:
* West Garfield Park | 18001 people | 77.08 per 100k rate avg
* Washington Park | 11717 people | 69.34 per 100k rate avg
* Englewood | 30654 people | 63.61 per 100k rate avg
* West Englewood | 35505 people | 62.32 per 100k rate avg
* Greater Grand Crossing | 32602 people | 62.11 per 100k rate avg
* Riverdale | 6482 people | 57.85 per 100k rate avg
* Burnside | 2916 people | 55.73 per 100k rate avg
* East Garfield Park | 20567 people | 50.44 per 100k rate avg
* North Lawndale | 35912 people | 49.77 per 100k rate avg
* West Pullman | 29651 people | 45.11 per 100k rate avg
* Chatham | 31028 people | 42.7 per 100k rate avg
* South Chicago | 31198 people | 40.87 per 100k rate avg
* Fuller Park | 2876 people | 39.12 per 100k rate avg
* Humboldt Park | 56323 people | 39.06 per 100k rate avg
* Woodlawn | 25983 people | 38.49 per 100k rate avg
* South Shore | 49767 people | 37.68 per 100k rate avg
* Roseland | 44619 people | 36.98 per 100k rate avg
* Grand Boulevard | 21929 people | 36.48 per 100k rate avg
* Auburn Gresham | 48743 people | 35.39 per 100k rate avg
* New City | 44377 people | 34.36 per 100k rate avg
* Austin | 98514 people | 34.26 per 100k rate avg
* Avalon Park | 10185 people | 30.68 per 100k rate avg
* Washington Heights | 26493 people | 30.67 per 100k rate avg * TOTAL | 716,042 people | 43.4 per 100k rate avg
Even the absolute worst areas of Chicago in the last 8 years still have a lower homicide rate than Detroit, of similar size by 11.2 per 100K people. This is also including all the good areas of Detroit - which in the data above includes no total "good" areas of Chicago which you can see in my previous post.
I didnt see any proof that those kids were intended targets, but nice of you to justify the killings, Mr Gang Expert. Guess what? Normal cities dont have 45 shot in a weekend, not a few times a yr, not ever. You can make all excuses you want though.
First of all, I never said they were or weren't the intended targets. I said that you never know in a situation like this because gangs recruit kids as young as 9 and 10 years old to sell drugs for them. They do this because the higher up members of the gangs are not put in danger by selling on the streets and a young kid, usually around or under 12, is attracted by all the money. They see some of the higher up members of the gang with money, but don't realize that the low level drug dealers in a gang don't really make much money..so they do it for that reason.
First of all, I never said they were or weren't the intended targets. I said that you never know in a situation like this because gangs recruit kids as young as 9 and 10 years old to sell drugs for them. They do this because the higher up members of the gangs are not put in danger by selling on the streets and a young kid, usually around or under 12, is attracted by all the money. They see some of the higher up members of the gang with money, but don't realize that the low level drug dealers in a gang don't really make much money..so they do it for that reason.
That is a complete anomaly in the area these days and how do I know this? Because I actually live in the area and knows what goes on - much more than you will ever know. Keep thinking these things - the real data says otherwise. There's almost 110,000 millionaires living in the city of Chicago and 15 Billionaires. They could live anywhere they want to. Anybody who thinks that a city of 2.7 million is unsafe everywhere is not the smartest person in the world. I'd rather have intelligent people who know how a city is made up visit a city and not full of others.
That is a complete anomaly in the area these days and how do I know this? Because I actually live in the area and knows what goes on - much more than you will ever know. Keep thinking these things - the real data says otherwise. There's almost 110,000 millionaires living in the city of Chicago and 15 Billionaires. They could live anywhere they want to. Anybody who thinks that a city of 2.7 million is unsafe everywhere is not the smartest person in the world. I'd rather have intelligent people who know how a city is made up visit a city and not full of others.
You always got an explanation, guy. 45 shootings was an anomaly, this is an anomaly. I suppose everything that's dysfunctional in Chicago is an anomaly these days. It was all cookies n cream until these weird anomalies started piling up just like the bodies in Chiraq.
You always got an explanation, guy. 45 shootings was an anomaly, this is an anomaly. I suppose everything that's dysfunctional in Chicago is an anomaly these days. It was all cookies n cream until these weird anomalies started piling up just like the bodies in Chiraq.
Yeah, I can say that because because the data says it's an anomaly. All you have is anecdotal evidence - which is worth something, but versus actual data, it's not worth nearly as much. And we're talking about crime - crime happening in statistically safe neighborhood is an anomaly. That's the very definition of an anomaly. You don't seem very mathematical or scientific if you can't realize what the definition of anomalous is. But I really don't expect anything else from this forum.
Did you read the study done by the Yale professor about the crime between 1965 and 2013, or did you completely disregard that? Here it is again and he uses real data: http://www.papachristos.org/Welcome_...ngPaper023.pdf
Please use facts to back up your claims. Here is every reported crime in Chicago from 2001 to present (present meaning as of about 7 days ago). Prove your worth and do some actual data analysis that takes more brain power than Googling for news stories: https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...sent/ijzp-q8t2
Until you can do this and come up with something compelling, what you say has very little weight. In the scientific world, we analyze real data for the trends. Anomalies mean something, but very little when you're looking at the bigger picture. It's nice of you to disregard actual facts and overlooking the 1.3 million people in the city of Chicago (about 50% of the population) who live in areas that are each less than the homicide rate of Los Angeles. And 700,000 of those live in areas with a rate that is less than 4 per 100k.
You always got an explanation, guy. 45 shootings was an anomaly, this is an anomaly. I suppose everything that's dysfunctional in Chicago is an anomaly these days. It was all cookies n cream until these weird anomalies started piling up just like the bodies in Chiraq.
I was in Chicago a few years ago and while I would agree that violence is a problem and I had the benefit of having a friend take me to places so obviously had my back, I really didn't feel unsafe or uneasy and we ventured to quite a bit more places outside of just the loop. If I were from Chicago i'd also be defending the fact that it is a lot more of a substantive city than just some murder statistics! I really enjoyed my time there and it is an impressive city on so many levels.
I was in Chicago a few years ago and while I would agree that violence is a problem and I had the benefit of having a friend take me to places so obviously had my back, I really didn't feel unsafe or uneasy and we ventured to quite a bit more places outside of the loop. If I were from Chicago i'd also be defending the fact that it is a lot more of a substantive city than just some murder statistics!
Visiting and living is not the same. I visited Newark, Paterson and Camden and didn't feel unsafe. I'm sure that those innocent people also didnt feel unsafe when they got killed.
Yeah, I can say that because because the data says it's an anomaly. All you have is anecdotal evidence - which is worth something, but versus actual data, it's not worth nearly as much. And we're talking about crime - crime happening in statistically safe neighborhood is an anomaly. That's the very definition of an anomaly. You don't seem very mathematical or scientific if you can't realize what the definition of anomalous is. But I really don't expect anything else from this forum.
Did you read the study done by the Yale professor about the crime between 1965 and 2013, or did you completely disregard that? Here it is again and he uses real data: http://www.papachristos.org/Welcome_...ngPaper023.pdf
Please use facts to back up your claims. Here is every reported crime in Chicago from 2001 to present (present meaning as of about 7 days ago). Prove your worth and do some actual data analysis that takes more brain power than Googling for news stories: https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...sent/ijzp-q8t2
Until you can do this and come up with something compelling, what you say has very little weight. In the scientific world, we analyze real data for the trends. Anomalies mean something, but very little when you're looking at the bigger picture. It's nice of you to disregard actual facts and overlooking the 1.3 million people in the city of Chicago (about 50% of the population) who live in areas that are each less than the homicide rate of Los Angeles. And 700,000 of those live in areas with a rate that is less than 4 per 100k.
Sorry (not really), but Chicago is a failed city when it comes to social policy, and you're just a try-hard in defending it.
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