Guess I will re-open the thread.... WOW a RARE REPLY TO ME from NOLA101....
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
Skyscrapers have nothing to do with urbanity, or density.
And Chicago isn't building many skyscrapers relative to other cities. Chicago and Philly are roughly comparable in current skyscraper construction. Miami would be far, far ahead of both in skyscraper construction, and NYC would be far ahead of Miami.
The best way for most cities to get more urbanity and density would be to restrict skyscraper construction, and try and build actual livable communities, not filing cabinets in the sky with gigantic parking garage bases.
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For one Chicago ALWAYS IN RECENT DECADES... has some years of housing BOOMS ....then a couple with less, due to so many offices to residents....that came on the Market. It is a demand oriented market. International investors.... don't ADD TO IT as NYC and now Miami do. It depends more on its OWN INVESTORS AND WEALTHY.
CHICAGO was in a BOOM PERIOD THAT WAS JUST SET ON FIRE.... When the CRASH CAME. It is again building. But it does far more at demand levels.
YOU AND OTHERS LIKE TO SAY SKYSCRAPER CONSTRUCTION GOES FULLY WITH LEVEL OF VIBRANCY AND IMPORTANCE. It is ADDING MANY HOTEL ROOMS. Apt. Buildings over Condos are getting built today. A steady growth for a established city and nice gentrification of neighborhoods and HUGE GROWTH IN DOWNTOWN LIVING ALREADY and ongoing. Is not a reason TO SLIGHT AS LOOSING Virility.
PHILLY is getting its share.... especially in out-priced New Yorkers. Who want to remain in proximity to NYC. I APPLAUD ITS GENTRIFICATION AND PROGRESS.
Chicago still makes CITIES OF THE FUTURE LIST.......Elite Cities Based on Current Performance 2015
HERE .
American Cities of the Future 2015.pdf ..HERE .
A.T. Kearney Global Cities 2015 Identifies
The MAJOR CITY LIST OF fDi Intelligence's ..............
Elite Cities Based on Their Current Performance - New York City, New York .............................. 1. New York
- San Francisco, California ...............................2. London
- Houston, Texas ........................................... 3. Paris
- Boston, Massachusetts ................................. 4. Tokyo
- Toronto, Ontario .......................................... 5. Hong Kong
- Atlanta, Georgia .......................................... 6. Los Angeles
- Miami, Florida ............................................. 7. Chicago
- Chicago, Illinois .........................................8. Singapore
- Montréal, Québec ........................................ 9. Beijing
- São Paulo, Brazil .........................................10. Washington DC.
CHICAGO..... also makes #9 for ECONOMIC POTENTIAL
Miami you mentioned had PLENTY OF INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS AND WEALTHY IN THE WORLD WHO WANT A CONDO IN THE SUN FROM WINTER. MIAMI BEACH (a separate city) HAD PLENTY AND NOW ESPECILLY DOWNTOWN MIAMI PROPER. It isn't building for A BOOMING BUISINESS MARKET OF NEW EMPLOYEES. ITS BUILDING FOR THÔSE MOVING FOR A VACATION CONDO.
Houston is a up and coming Sunbelt city with Atlanta. SF has Silicon Valley not far, a Boutique city too. Boston the intellectual Capital for Top Universities.
I APPLAUD any city gaining gentrification and investing in itself and city too. I DO NOT NEED TO LESSEN WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR CHOSEN CITY OR HOMETOWN.... TO DEFEND MY FAVORITE BIG CITY AND ADOPTED OF SORTS..... HOMETOWN.
There are NEW TOWNHOUSE developments in River North and South of the Loop/Grant Park areas DOWNTOWN CHICAGO. You knock Skyscraper living I know.... unless it is in Manhattan.
A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN can have ALL TYPES.
NYC has VERY LITTLE land free in Manhattan. It builds UP or restores. TENEMENTS... NOW INTO HARLEM. That were for the poor and masses originally. Well even Harlem was higher-end at one time To high-end housing. Due to demand. WORLD DEMAND anything is worthy housing.... even if you had a garage and made it a Apartment.....
You sure do have that anti-Skyscraper garages LOL. Don't matter what else is at its base. Manhattan builds narrower and the housing area as it is... MORE PROFITABLE WITH APTS. OR CONDOS. Chicago HAS THE LUXURY TO ADD THEM FOR TENANTS CHOICES to park a car too.
Manhattan is terrible to drive in. Delivery trucks block streets, because of NO ALLEYS. Chicago has alleys and many areas of the Loop has Underground delivery.... just with Lower Wacker Drive. A wider street grid overall and sidewalks.
Chicago can have both Tighter older Downtown areas and neighborhoods and areas for completely new buildings as even LA or Houston would. You have a choice.... if you can afford it.
To me it is where aspects of Southern Cali to Mighty Manhattan and NYC. Not calling it a mini-NYC.... or is like it. But aspects of both AND A HUGE..... CHUNK OF ITS OWN STYLE.
I would rather live in a Skyscraper or Apartment Building with a Great Courtyard and parking. Chicago has them. Then a Town/Row house development. Unless it has interior open space or balconies where a sitting area can be had at least. Perhaps a Loft with a Balcony?
A old Greystone or another Great Victorian is my FIRST choice. WITH GREEN FRONTAGE AND BACK. Chicago has them. BUT I KNOW? FOR YOU, IT ISN'T A BROOKLYN BROWNSTONE.... as you ARGUED OVER them vs. Chicago's too.... IN A OLD THREAD..
If you like tight housing even alley size streets. Philly works. Its Colonial and gentrified Rows too... made to look Colonial are found there. Still very quaint housing for those who favor it. But I know.... ITS NOT MANHATTAN THOUGH... for you. COLONIAL AND GENTRIFIED ROWS with added trees and even brick streets and Victorian varieties ... can work for me. But far too many are solid Walls of Rows as some on the narrow added streets that removed alleys. Are not my favorite. You can't even walk 2 by 2 side by side down many streets. Unless the close it to traffic. Brick the street like a Colonial block.
I like the CHICAGO's concept of Separated housing, Apartments with Courtyards open and green.
Manhattan has the lock on Tenement style housing restored. Chicago after the Great Fire.. CHOICE PRECISELY NOT TO BUILD THEM.
I defend Chicago with what it has and I feel is great it has in comparisons. Others deny and demean as inferior on almost every level.... SOME DO THAT....
... EVERY SHOT AT IT THEY CAN.
But I respect your views. Not as a expert.... but as your opinion. YOU BROUGHT NYC IN ....I merely commented.
I KNOW IT IS ABOUT URBANITY. Chicago still ranks as urban, slightly above Philly in statistics. Some would claim you
CAN'T GET MORE URBAN THEN MOSTLY ROW HOMES. But CHICAGO DOES.
should I say as it is??? AS SOME GET AWAY WITH...
"GET OVER IT". and Chicago wins the voters here.
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Originally Posted by Duderino
Exactly. Once again, Philadelphia also is approximately 150 years older than Chicago, so obviously this lends to an incredible diversity of housing styles over the years.
There could definitely be more tree-lined streets throughout the city, but the neighborhoods that do have a significant tree canopy do them fantastically, as your street view images show.
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Though Chicago had the Great Fire of 1871. So the city virtually dates to then. BOTH PHILLY AND CHICAGO HAD THEIR GREATEST GROWTH SINCE THEN. ESPECIALLY THE EARLY 20th century. I have seen the diverse housing in Chicago.....AS A PHILLY AREA RESIDENT POSTED IN THE CHICAGO THREADS....
IMPRESSED WITH THE VARIETY OF HOUSING ON THE SAME BLOCK IN CHICAGO... MUCH LESS OF THAT IN PHILLY. GENERLLY THE WHOLE BLOCK IS THE SAME AND BUILT THE SAME TIME. COLORS, SIDING AND AWNINGS ADD DIFFERENCES.
No doubt CHICAGO has most of its densest and oldest housing then, and its 1/3rd of the city Bungalow belt begin in 1910-1940. PHILLY had a EXPLOSION of its Row Homes built then. Especially some of its tightest around Center City. That still I would say is a good portion of the city today. DEFINATELY 1/3.
So when Chicago was building its Cottage Homes... then its Bungalow Belt. Philly was still building tight Rows for its Masses and emerging Middle-class. Just it by ww2 added more frontage to Row homes. Trees are added in each Gentrified block. Center City Row areas have Trees. But a lot in North Philly have few. Even in the south.... of course many do. BUT ALL CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TREE LINED AND ITS BUNGALOW BELT TO FRONT LAWNS.
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