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OP didn't include DFW. I can see why he didn't include Houston. I wouldn't call it a "new" south metro. But DFW metro on the other hand is new. FW had 300k ppl less than 20 years ago, its close to 1M now.
And no, Nashville, DFW, and Raleigh aren't "widely regarded" which is why I added them. How am I suppose to read OP's mind to know what "etc" means to him. Widely regarded south metros to me for someone who includes TX and FL in their definition of South are ATL,MIA,HOU. He already included one of those three. Nashville, DFW, Raleigh are new as in last 20 years, tremendous growth. I only include DFW because FW is now a city that can stand on it's own and compete. It's no longer looked at as a suburb of Dallas. You are obsessed with refuting every opinion I have without giving convincing reasons to change my opinion. The only one was GT being prestigious which I discovered after a little research of my own. I owned up to that mistake, SMU is prestigious, just not as much. It also has a presidential library. How much more prestigious can you get than that. Honest mistake on my part
Just to clarify, FW has never been a suburb of Dallas.
OP didn't include DFW. I can see why he didn't include Houston. I wouldn't call it a "new" south metro. But DFW metro on the other hand is new. FW had 300k ppl less than 20 years ago, its close to 1M now.
And no, Nashville, DFW, and Raleigh aren't "widely regarded" which is why I added them. How am I suppose to read OP's mind to know what "etc" means to him. Widely regarded south metros to me for someone who includes TX and FL in their definition of South are ATL,MIA,HOU. He already included one of those three. Nashville, DFW, Raleigh are new as in last 20 years, tremendous growth. I only include DFW because FW is now a city that can stand on it's own and compete. It's no longer looked at as a suburb of Dallas. You are obsessed with refuting every opinion I have without giving convincing reasons to change my opinion. The only one was GT being prestigious which I discovered after a little research of my own. I owned up to that mistake, SMU is prestigious, just not as much. It also has a presidential library. How much more prestigious can you get than that. Honest mistake on my part
Yes DFW, Raleigh, and Nashville are widely regarded as present-day New South metros. They exemplify the current meaning of the term in very significant ways. And DFW is no further behind Atlanta and Houston in terms of booming growth and development. Just some basic research will show this to be the case.
that poster happiness is close has never been out of his state or probably his own county and seems to live in some sort self created dreamworld, very odd. He doesnt know anything about florida, much less any other states. Any one can do a simple google search and see the huge northern and rust belt and even florida migration patterns into Atlanta.
This was from 2009 , it slowed down for awhile but atlanta has really picked back up.
Migrants From New York, Florida and California Choose Atlanta
"Net migration between the top 10 states (“top” meaning
most net migration into the Atlanta area) and the 20 area counties. Between 2000 and 2009, the top “origin” state – where people are moving from – was New York.
More than 60,247 more people moved
from New York to the 20-counties than vice versa.
This is also true of Florida (+55,500), California (+25,800) and New Jersey (+22,700).
Gwinnett attracted more than 63,200 new residents from different
states between 2000 and 2009, including 17,800 from New York alone,
tops in the region. Next are Fulton (+61,800) Cobb (+45,800),and
DeKalb (+32,500).
Don't ever believe anything Happiness-is-close posts regarding Atlanta. He has zero credibility when it comes to this subject, and will stop at nothing to trash the place - including outright lies when it suits him.
How in earth does Birmingham or Memphis have Midwestern elements??? Louisville sure but Birmingham and memphis????
Compared to Tampa and Orlando??? lmao.
I've seen more people from the Midwest in Birmingham and Memphis than I did in Tampa and Orlando (Which basically has a Little San Juan). I'm not saying Birmingham or Memphis are Midwestern cities because they're not, but compared to Central Florida? It's laughable. It's a reason why Birmingham was called Pittsburgh of the South; and Memphis has people who go back and forth from the Midwest constantly.
I spent a month in Tampa, I honestly don't see how the locals have anything in common with the Midwest, nor do I get a feel of it being anything like the Midwest. Seems like people in CF are worse than people in Palm Beach lmao.
I've seen more people from the Midwest in Birmingham and Memphis than I did in Tampa and Orlando (Which basically has a Little San Juan). I'm not saying Birmingham or Memphis are Midwestern cities because they're not, but compared to Central Florida? It's laughable. It's a reason why Birmingham was called Pittsburgh of the South; and Memphis has people who go back and forth from the Midwest constantly.
I spent a month in Tampa, I honestly don't see how the locals have anything in common with the Midwest, nor do I get a feel of it being anything like the Midwest. Seems like people in CF are worse than people in Palm Beach lmao.
I lived in Memphis for almost 30 years and still have family there. Trust me, there's nothing Midwestern about Memphis. In fact, it's so close to Mississippi geographically and culturally that most people call it a "Deep South" city even though it's technically right in the middle of the MID-South. And Birmingham is the middle of Alabama and is even more Southern than Memphis, so I don't know how on Earth you think it is even remotely Midwestern.
I see what OT is saying and what people are missing is the black migration into birmingham and memphis from chicago and detroit, the rust belt and midwest that came into work for US steel and fairfield and places like fed ex . As a musician I see the huge connection both ways between memphis and the midwest
Tampa and Orlando and alot of south florida is made up of every southern state and midwestern and northern states and cuba and puerto rico and many latin american countries in most neighborhoods.
The problem with this forum is that people only see the white migration and only focus on that
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I see what OT is saying and what people are missing is the black migration into birmingham and memphis from chicago and detroit the rust belt and midwest that came into work for US steel and fairfield and places like fed ex . As a musician I see the huge connection both ways between memphis and the midwest
Tampa and Orlando and alot of south florida is every every state and cuba and puerto rico and many latin american countries in most neighborhoods.
The problem with these forums is that people only see the white migration
But Birmingham and Memphis aren't big magnets for domestic migration at all, from the Midwest or elsewhere, especially compared to the actual New South magnets.
I see what OT is saying and what people are missing is the black migration into birmingham and memphis from chicago and detroit, the rust belt and midwest that came into work for US steel and fairfield and places like fed ex . As a musician I see the huge connection both ways between memphis and the midwest
I have known a lot of New Yorkers who moved to Memphis, but that still doesn't give it a NY/East Coast vibe. Memphis is very insular to the point where people who move there from outside don't influence or change its vibe and culture. Birmingham is the same way, at least for now.
I have known a lot of New Yorkers who moved to Memphis, but that still doesn't give it a NY/East Coast vibe. Memphis is very insular to the point where people who move there from outside don't influence or change its vibe and culture. Birmingham is the same way, at least for now.
I can only speak for Memphis from word of locals and since you live there I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I don't think you still get my point; that was why I brought up Palm Beach because I've seen plenty of NY transplants around the area, and many times I've heard of people saying it's like NYC, which is not even necessarily true; not even Staten Island. One guy brought up that Central Florida has more in common with the Midwest, which isn't true either; and I included that if there were ever to be a Southern city with anything in common with the Midwest at all, it's Birmingham, Memphis*, and Louisville. Reiterating from the other poster; especially when you include things like BBQ, Jazz/Blues, Rust Belt, Large African-American Populations, Baseball etc. (Negro Leagues Baseball Museum - KC, Negro Southern League Museum - BHAM)
I'm not stamping cities like Birmingham, Memphis or Louisville as "Midwestern," at all, I'm just saying when put into comparison with Central Florida, one could pick apart the differences with ease.
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