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Originally Posted by qworldorder
Well articulated and I agree with your first two points, though your first point illustrates how CSAs/MSAs can grossly overreach, due to being based at the county level.
UAs aren't perfect, but I'm not yet sold that Baltimore and DC are "one entity", as an MSA would suggest.
One MSA no, but its definitely closer to one mega region with two city power centers, than it is to two completely and unrelated separate places. The cross commuting is intense enough for this which is why it qualifies as a CSA. In fact in another 30 years Richmond, Va may come into the fold as a third prong to this discussion depending on how growth pans out.
DC-Baltimore is much more similar to the relationship of SF Bay Area or Dallas-Fort worth, than is NY-Philly or Chicago-Milwaukee.
I would rank it like this in terms of closeness/connected:
One MSA no, but its definitely closer to one mega region with two city power centers, than it is to two completely and unrelated separate places. The cross commuting is intense enough for this which is why it qualifies as a CSA. In fact in another 30 years Richmond, Va may come into the fold as a third prong to this discussion depending on how growth pans out.
DC-Baltimore is much more similar to the relationship of SF Bay Area or Dallas-Fort worth, than is NY-Philly or Chicago-Milwaukee.
I would rank it like this in terms of closeness/connected:
1. Dallas-Ft Worth
2. SF/Oak/SJ
3. DC-Baltimore
4. NYC/NJ/Philly
5. Chicago-Milwaukee
The closeness between Chicago and Milwaukee is frankly overblown. Some sprawl is starting to touch each other, but there's still 95 miles separating downtown Chicago from downtown Milwaukee.
Except Denton *is* included in the Dallas UA. Read page 9.
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Were talking about two different things. I'm talking about UAs as defined by the US. You are talking about them as defined by the UN, iirc. I've seen that report before, though I now forget the publisher
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Yes but that's 3 MSAs, Riverside, LA and Oxnard.
My post referred to just 1 MSA, NY.
I still don't see your point. The New York MSA has nearly 7 million more people than Los Angeles'--there should be a larger geographic footprint from extreme points. And it's not as if LA's MSA is so much tidier--it's over 140 miles from NE LA County to Southern Orange County.
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Originally Posted by Parhe
Were talking about two different things. I'm talking about UAs as defined by the US. You are talking about them as defined by the UN, iirc. I've seen that report before, though I now forget the publisher
Well keep in mind that US Urban Areas are only defined every 10 years. Denton grew over 40% from 2000 to 2010 alone. If it was excluded in the 2010 Dallas definition, it probably won't be in 2020, given its growth.
One MSA no, but its definitely closer to one mega region with two city power centers, than it is to two completely and unrelated separate places. The cross commuting is intense enough for this which is why it qualifies as a CSA. In fact in another 30 years Richmond, Va may come into the fold as a third prong to this discussion depending on how growth pans out.
DC-Baltimore is much more similar to the relationship of SF Bay Area or Dallas-Fort worth, than is NY-Philly or Chicago-Milwaukee.
I would rank it like this in terms of closeness/connected:
1. Dallas-Ft Worth
2. SF/Oak/SJ
3. DC-Baltimore
4. NYC/NJ/Philly
5. Chicago-Milwaukee
The LA CSA is definitely 1 region and really in my opinion more in line with a MSA vs any other CSA and tied with the Bay area. This image constitutes approximately a contiguous area of 17.5 million people in an area under 3k sq miles.
Exactly what I said. LA gets a bad rap for spanning a wide area but HELLO? The NY MSA is 200 miles wide! That's massive.
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The New York MSA has nearly 7 million more people than Los Angeles'--there should be a larger geographic footprint from extreme points. And it's not as if LA's MSA is so much tidier--it's over 140 miles from NE LA County to Southern Orange County.
Well yeah. The NY MSA is spread out over 6,800 sq miles while the LA MSA is 4,700 sq miles.
The LA CSA is definitely 1 region and really in my opinion more in line with a MSA vs any other CSA and tied with the Bay area. This image constitutes approximately a contiguous area of 17.5 million people in an area under 3k sq miles.
LA is already the most densely populated UA in the US.
I still don't see your point. The New York MSA has nearly 7 million more people than Los Angeles'--there should be a larger geographic footprint from extreme points. And it's not as if LA's MSA is so much tidier--it's over 140 miles from NE LA County to Southern Orange County.
That's true--sort of. New York's urbanized area is TWICE as large as LAs, but it only has about 50% more people. Therefore, New York sprawls more both total and per capital.
In fact, Los Angeles is the 2nd most populous urban area in the country, but only the seventh largest in land area, after New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, and Dallas-Ft. Worth.
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