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View Poll Results: Better city overall?
Cleveland 15 16.48%
Montreal 76 83.52%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-31-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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I mean, it is lower than in most major cities, but that is cause COL is lower here. I can't think of other major cities where you can rent a two-bedroom apartment in the downtown core for $1200-$1500 a month (or lower). When I attend business conferences, everyone mentions that Montreal is a Boston/Paris hybrid with the prices of Cleaveland. Even then, the average profession in MTL nets at least $60K, which goes far in MTL since COL is cheap. Also, even though taxes are much higher here, people are better off due to the social safety net. Another example is when I was working for the government, I had jobs in MTL and T.O and the salary was $60K a year in MTL, $80K in T.O. I lived more comfortably in MTL making $20K less than in T.O (until I found a higher paying job in T.O that is). Point is, the whole wage argument has many factors and even with MTL having lower wages, the average person gets by much better here than in other cities.

As for the weather, yeah it's slightly colder in MTL and we get about 20 inches more snow, but that's really not a huge difference. Winter is about 4 months long in each city (longer if you're a sissy and think 40-50F is "cold"). But even then, winter is about the same in both cities.
Climate change has really muted Cleveland winters. I live in Cleveland's snow belt and used my snow blower only once last winter; not once so far this winter. I keep my snow blower gas tank less than half full now because it's a pain to drain the tank in spring, and I wish I had kept the tank empty until I needed to use the blower, a tactic that I will employ in future years and vastly different than the full tank days of even a decade ago (a full tank reduces the risk of condensation and an ice block in the fuel line). Northeast Ohio's maple sugar industry is under great pressure due to an earlier and much shorter sugar season and warmer winters and spring. Only rarely do we experience lows below -10 F. these days in winter, perhaps comparable in percentage to what - 0 degrees were 50 years ago. Compare the weather for this December in both Cleveland and Montreal; not the same. With the warming of the Arctic, southern U.S. weather more often impacts Cleveland in the winter.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/cl...0127?year=2019

https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/mo...-weather/56186

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentra...east-ohio.html

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/weath...pstate-ny.html

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/c...-to-the-brink/

The maple sugar culture is one aspect of Montreal that I would enjoy greatly!

The Geauga County Maple Festival in northeast Ohio in the heart of Cleveland's lake effect snow belt still is held in late April, even though the maple sugar season is over now by mid-March. I remember once in the 1950s my dad abandoned his attempt to drive us to the festival because the roads were impassable, hardly imaginable these days. Also unimaginable to today's Clevelanders is a blizzard such as this, just 40 years ago.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018...ll_stings.html

Today, Greater Cleveland freeways are rarely closed, if ever (depending upon freeway), for more than half a day. The relatively rapid change actually is scary for old-timers.

BTW, Montreal harbor is only 30 feet above sea level. Some climate change experts, such as James Hansen, believe sea level rise could exceed 30 feet by 2100 due to unabated fossil fuel consumption and the kick in of powerful feedback loops.

https://news.yahoo.com/its-already-b...kip=1577809687

Perhaps this is one of the most important stories of 2019, but I only saw it reported in Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-sea-b...-thaws-1468686

See Arctic Ocean here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathr...s#Arctic_Ocean

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...arctic-on-fire

https://time.com/5754990/australia-c...issions-fires/

U.N. sea level projections don't consider, yet, the possible (likely?) impact of feedback loops.

Here's a blunt, dire analysis from one of Florida's top sea level experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

Last edited by WRnative; 12-31-2019 at 10:43 AM..
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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I often wonder how many posters in this forum, especially those interested in high culture, have ever visited the Cleveland Museum of Art or the Cleveland Orchestra in Severance Hall or Blossom Music Center, arguably easily the best combo of classical music venues afforded any North American orchestra.

Here are the top rankings of U.S. art museums by TripAdvisor.com reviewers.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti...ed_States.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/22/a...egie-hall.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV73GP97v4s

https://www.ideastream.org/programs/...s-and-counting

Post 11 in this thread interested me!

https://www.city-data.com/forum/city...america-2.html

Last edited by WRnative; 12-31-2019 at 11:13 AM..
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: East Bay, San Francisco Bay Area
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Montreal.
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Old 12-31-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: White Rock BC
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Was this thread created to make Cleveland look bad? This is an unfair comparison.

Cleveland, at least by American standards, has a decent transit system, some interesting inner city neighbourhoods, and excels in the arts but simply it's in Montreal's league.
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Old 01-01-2020, 09:16 AM
 
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Compare the weather for this December in both Cleveland and Montreal; not the same. With the warming of the Arctic, southern U.S. weather more often impacts Cleveland in the winter.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/cl...0127?year=2019

https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/mo...-weather/56186
Apparently, the change in the year has affected the Montreal December 2019 weather link in post 41.

Here's one that worked this morning.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/mo...6186?year=2019
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