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Looks like within a few years, Dallas will for sure be #2 after the New York MSA for Indian Americans. I wonder why Houston is not as popular. I personally know a few Indians from Houston/moved to Houston and always thought it had a large growing Indian population but Dallas is eclipsing it easily.
Remote work could have an impact. Overall lots of tech workers moving to Texas. Whites in tech seem to prefer Austin.
Frankly put, Indian-Americans are not a particularly urban group. They prefer suburbs. There are some exceptions in NYC, but even then New Jersey is the hotspot for Indians, not the city.
For example, the city of San Francisco has 8,968 Indian immigrants but the whole metro area has 148k Indian immigrants. The city of Dallas has 6,982 and the city of Fort Worth has 4,694 despite the metro area having 143k Indian immigrants. Chicago does better at 23,490 Indian immigrants but again there are 140k in the metro area.
Given that Indians overwhelmingly prefer suburbs (or at least suburban areas of cities), why they are flocking to DFW becomes much easier to see. Overall and to be frank, the suburbs of DFW have a better reputation and are viewed as superior to the ones of Houston especially in the Indian community. Hell the suburbs of DFW arguably have the best reputation in the US right now. Thats a huge reason why people of all kinds are moving there in droves.
Ive heard of commercials being run in India that advertise Frisco and Plano and that the land there has been consecrated for their spiritual well being.
Another interesting thing is that, while Houston has more Indians than Atlanta, Atlanta now has a higher number of foreign born Indians.
It might be different in NYC and Chicago but in the Bay Area all Indian enclaves are suburban. No particular concentration in the city of SF.
Something I think that its easy to overlook is the foreign born Mexican decline. Cities whose Hispanic community is over 80% Mexican may notice their Hispanic numbers stagnating for this reason. While this isnt uniform across all cities, a trend is emerging. Per the numbers below, DFW seems to be the only exception. I didnt include the Bay Area in the below because the boundaries have changed making a YOY comparison impossible.
All numbers represent growth or decline between 2018-2019 and these numbers are foreign born only. Domestic born Hispanics are not considered in this post. I used Mexico for the major Mexican MSA to determine their population losses or gains but also balanced with Cubans in Miami, Salvadorans in DC, and Dominicans in NYC. When foreign Mexican population is considered, the Central America numbers include all countries in Central America but Mexico:
Los Angeles MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -33,457
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -43,347
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -10,771
Foreign Born South American Growth: 16,317
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -532
New York City MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -47,737
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -33,864
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,074
Foreign Born South America Decline: -14,854
Foreign Born Cuban Decline: -131
Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 13,380
Foreign Born Cuban Growth: 5,821
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,946
Foreign Born South America Growth: 4,807
Foreign Born Dominican Decline: -6,363
Houston MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 34,774
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -7,558
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 19,593
Foreign Born South America Growth: 10,480
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 2,866
Riverside MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 2,848
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -1,830
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 6,884
Foreign Born South America Decline: -845
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -831
Dallas/Fort Worth MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 11,604
Foreign Born Mexican Growth: 18,269
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,726
Foreign Born South America Decline: -4,310
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: 2,163
Chicago MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -14,508
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -29,982
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 11,353
Foreign Born South America Growth: 7,320
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -301
Phoenix MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -1,617
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -12,141
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 7,511
Foreign Born South America Growth: 2,321
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 890
San Diego MSA:
Foreign Born Hispanic Decline: -34,312
Foreign Born Mexican Decline: -30,448
Foreign Born Central America Decline: -1,506
Foreign Born South America Decline: -1,758
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Decline: -1,611
Washington DC MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,155
Foreign Born Salvadoran Growth: 7,756
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 24,337
Foreign Born South America Decline: -6,556
Foreign Born Caribbean Decline: -2,850
Orlando MSA
Foreign Born Hispanic Growth: 19,376
Foreign Born Central America Growth: 4,633
Foreign Born South America Growth: 6,405
Foreign Born Hispanic Caribbean Growth: 4,449
Is there statistics on growth for each particular national origin?
Since it was brought up, how would Middle East and North African populations affect the demographic outlook? I have it below:
People Claiming Arab and North African Ancestry as of 2019 by MSA:
New York - 228,216
Detroit - 201,181
Los Angeles - 108,987
Chicago - 101,548
Washington DC - 81,044
Houston - 58,830
Dallas/Fort Worth - 56,419
Boston - 51,005
San Diego - 47,035
San Francisco - 47,501
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 38,241
Philadelphia - 35,469
Phoenix - 34,557
Riverside - 31,490
Cleveland - 28,879
Atlanta - 28,877
Nashville - 26,365
Seattle/Tacoma - 19,094
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 18,608
Austin - 17,876
San Antonio - 17,021
Pittsburgh - 15,966
Columbus - 15,254
Portland, OR - 14,676
Sacramento - 14,552
Baltimore - 13,659
Charlotte - 13,302
San Jose - 13,031
Denver - 12,659
St. Louis - 11,432
Las Vegas - 10,439
Ill try to calculate how some of those would affect the demographics later.
Ok, so here is how the demographics would look if MENA was considered its own ethnic group. Im only going to focus on the larger ones by MSA as of 2019:
New York City/Newark/Jersey City MSA:
White - 43.9% - 8,446,303
Hispanic - 25.0% - 4,808,471
Black - 15.7% - 3,016,880
Asian - 11.4% - 2,192,841
MENA - 1.2% - 228,216
Detroit/Warren/Dearborn MSA:
White - 61.2% - 2,645,884
Black - 21.9% - 946,751
Asian - 4.8% - 205,380
MENA - 4.7% - 201,181
Hispanic - 4.6% - 200,680
Los Angeles/Long Beach/Anaheim MSA:
Hispanic - 45.1% - 5,936,061
White - 28.4% - 3,748,889
Asian - 16.1% - 2,125,243
Black - 6.3% - 829,224
MENA - 0.8% - 108,987
Chicago/Naperville/Elgin MSA:
White - 51.2% - 4,841,199
Hispanic - 22.6% - 2,132,755
Black - 16.1% - 1,521,704
Asian - 6.8% - 649,835
MENA - 1.1% - 101,548
Washington DC/Arlington/Alexandria MSA:
White - 43.4% - 2,725,826
Black - 24.9% - 1,563,337
Hispanic - 16.3% - 1,021,386
Asian - 10.3% - 645, 564
MENA - 1.3% - 81,044
Houston/The Woodlands/Sugar Land MSA:
Hispanic - 38.0% - 2,682,311
White - 34.3% - 2,422,288
Black - 16.8% - 1,190,236
Asian - 7.8% - 550,675
MENA - 0.8% - 58,830
Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington MSA:
White - 44.2% - 3,343,415
Hispanic - 29.3% - 2,219,072
Black - 15.9% - 1,201,835
Asian - 7.3% - 551,059
MENA - 0.7% - 56,419
Boston/Cambridge/Newton MSA:
White - 68.2% - 3,319,565
Hispanic - 11.7% - 567,741
Asian - 8.2% - 400,301
Black - 7.8% - 377,690
MENA - 1.0% - 51,055
San Diego/Carlsbad MSA:
White - 43.3% - 1,448,199
Hispanic - 34.1% - 1,140,033
Asian - 11.8% - 394,644
Black - 4.7% - 156,423
MENA - 1.5% - 47,035
San Francisco/Oakland/Berkley MSA:
White - 37.6% - 1,781,547
Asian - 26.8% - 1,269,263
Hispanic - 14.3% - 1,033,922
Black - 7.2% - 341,500
MENA - 1.0% - 45,701
Miami/Fort Lauderdale/Pompano Beach MSA:
Hispanic - 46.1% - 2,842,930
White - 28.9% - 1,778,786
Black - 20.0% - 1,233,921
Asian - 2.5% - 152,893
MENA - 0.6% - 38,241
Philadelphia/Camden/Wilmington MSA:
White - 60.4% - 3,684,517
Black - 20.3% - 1,241,680
Hispanic - 9.9% - 601,242
Asian - 6.1% - 372,629
MENA - 0.6% - 35,469
Phoenix/Mesa/Scottsdale MSA:
White - 53.8% - 2,662,030
Hispanic - 31.3% - 1,551,313
Black - 5.4 - 268,757
Asian - 3.9% - 193,178
MENA - 0.7% - 34,557
Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario MSA:
Hispanic - 52.9% - 2,422,840
White - 30.0% - 1,397,321
Asian - 6.9% - 322,238
Black - 6.9% - 320,161
MENA - 0.7% - 31,490
Cleveland/Elyria MSA:
White - 67.8% - 1,390,178
Black - 19.4% - 397,688
Hispanic - 6.2% - 125,987
Asian - 2.5 - 50,763
MENA - 1.5% - 28,879
Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Alpharetta MSA:
White - 45.4% - 2,733,698
Black - 34.2% - 2,057,902
Hispanic - 11.0% - 661,048
Asian - 6.1% - 364,660
MENA - 0.5% - 28,877
Nashville/Davidson/Mufreesboro MSA:
White - 70.4% - 1,353,711
Black - 15.1% - 292,433
Hispanic - 7.6% - 146,971
Asian - 2.9% - 56,774
MENA - 1.0% - 26,365
So based on Percentage, here is the ordering for MENA population as of 2019 by MSA:
Detroit - 4.7%
San Diego - 1.5%
Cleveland - 1.5%
Washington DC - 1.3%
New York City - 1.2%
Chicago - 1.1%
Boston - 1.0%
San Francisco - 1.0%
Nashville - 1.0%
Los Angeles - 0.8%
Houston - 0.8%
Dallas/Fort Worth - 0.7%
Phoenix - 0.7%
Riverside - 0.7%
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 0.6%
Philadelphia - 0.6%
Atlanta - 0.5%
Theres a reason we call Detroit our homeland in the US.
I thought the MENA population would be higher in DC. When I lived in NoVa there’s seemed to be tons. I’ve also worked with many Arab Americans and Afghans.
I thought the MENA population would be higher in DC. When I lived in NoVa there’s seemed to be tons. I’ve also worked with many Arab Americans and Afghans.
MENA wouldnt cover Afghanistan since they are counted under the Asian population.
So I thought a good idea would be to see how much each foreign born group represents of the total immigrant population. Some places have their foreign born populations dominated by just one or two immigrant groups while others have a plethora. To save time on this, Im going to piggyback of Montclair18's data from another thread. This one is per CSA not MSA, but we since were isolating just foreign born populations, Im ok with using it for this.
Ill divide it up into two posts. The first will just have the data and the 2nd will the largest immigrant groups broken down as a percentage of the total immigrant population. Im only going to focus on the larger CSAs, not this whole list.
Combined Statistical Area(CSA) by Foreign Born Population(25,000+), 2019
6,230,338 New York-Newark
5,529,651 Los Angeles-Long Beach
2,860,863 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland
2,673,091 Miami-Port St Lucie-Fort Lauderdale
1,770,979 Washington-Baltimore-Arlington
1,670,425 Houston-The Woodlands
1,647,827 Chicago-Naperville
1,482,840 Dallas-Fort Worth
1,346,553 Boston-Worcester-Providence
923,059 Atlanta-Athens-Clarke County-Sandy Springs
852,776 Seattle-Tacoma
776,316 Philadelphia-Reading-Camden
761,933 San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad
709,716 Phoenix-Mesa
640,792 Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona
516,123 Las Vegas-Henderson
509,017 Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor
481,850 Sacramento-Roseville
461,368 Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater MSA
416,134 Denver-Aurora
404,370 Minneapolis-St Paul
386,259 Portland-Vancouver-Salem
350,067 Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown
297,573 San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearsall
288,358 Charlotte-Concord
268,536 Fresno-Madera-Hanford
262,951 Raleigh-Durham-Cary
246,828 Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem
246,339 McAllen-Edinburg
241,604 Cape Coral-Fort Myers-Naples
222,049 El Paso-Las Cruces
191,445 Columbus-Marion-Zanesville
184,417 Hartford-East Hartford
179,319 Cleveland-Akron-Canton
178,211 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro
165,323 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City
160,082 Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie
157,113 Tucson-Nogales
151,393 Jacksonville-St Marys-Palatka
138,014 Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha
135,907 St Louis-St Charles-Farmington
135,755 Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point
127,604 Virginia Beach-Norfolk
121,337 North Port-Sarasota
119,296 Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville
113,800 Oklahoma City
112,034 Albuquerque-Santa Fe-Las Vegas
101,518 Brownsville-Harligen-Raymondville
101,293 Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton
100,913 New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond
93,707 Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson
93,818 Louisville/Jefferson County-Elizabethtown-Bardstown
85,999 Albany-Schenectady
85,607 Reno-Carson City-Fernley
80,099 Rochester-Batavia-Seneca Falls
77,759 Grand Rapids-Kentwood-Muskegon
75,426 Omaha-Council Bluffs-Fremont
73,134 Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Olean
71,342 Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville
71,002 Harrisburg-York-Lebanon
69,480 Memphis-Forrest City
69,385 Des Moines-Ames-West Des Moines
63,029 Madison-Janesville-Beloit
60,207 Chattanooga-Cleveland-Dalton
58,288 Boise-Mountain Home-Ontario
53,786 Midland-Odessa
52,896 Kennewick-Richland-Walla Walla
51,585 South Bend-Elkhart-Mishawaka
50,107 Wichita-Winfield
50,106 Fayetteville-Sanford-Lumberton
49,522 Knoxville-Morristown-Sevierville
49,122 Columbia-Orangeburg-Newberry
47,095 Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega
45,164 Lexington-Richmond-Frankfort
43,502 Syracuse-Auburn
40,789 Corpus Christi-Kingsville-Alice
39,207 Dayton-Springfield-Kettering
30,175 Huntsville-Decatur
36,111 Gainesville-Lake City
34,888 Little Rock-North Little Rock
34,035 Spokane-Spokane Valley-Coeur d’Alene
33,583 Salisbury-Camden
33,414 Portland-Lewiston-South Portland
32,982 Fort Wayne-Huntington-Auburn
31,819 Asheville-Marion-Brevard
30,693 Cedar Rapids-Iowa City
30,422 Myrtle Beach-Conway
29,835 Rockford-Freeport-Rochelle
29,358 Savannah-Hinesville-Statesboro
28,694 Kalamazoo-Battle Creek-Portage
28,622 Columbus-Auburn-Opelika
27,331 Lafayette-West Lafayette-Frankfort
26,535 Amarillo-Pampa-Borger
26,426 Lubbock-Plainview-Levelland
25,708 Lincoln-Beatrice
25,531 Pensacola-Ferry Pass
25,328 Davenport-Moline
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