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I had no clue the Bureau put out annual UA estimates via the American Community Survey. Thanks for the link.
So the 2007 estimate of 913,040 represents a change of 154,113, or 20.3%, since 2000. San Antonio's 2007 estimate is 1,440,794, which is 113,240 more persons than 2000--a growth rate of 8.5%. By the end of the decade, Charlotte will have easily passed the 1 million mark.
Estimates are just that, estimates. We will wait until the next census comes out. Even so, Charolotte is still more similar to Louisville (urban area 880,000) in the latest estimates than it is to San Antonio or Atlanta or many of the large cities people compare Charlotte to. I dont get how Charolotte has an image of being so much bigger than it really is when you never hear about places like Richmond or Louisville (which in my opinion have much more dense, historic neighborhoods).
Estimates are just that, estimates. We will wait until the next census comes out. Even so, Charolotte is still more similar to Louisville (urban area 880,000) in the latest estimates than it is to San Antonio or Atlanta or many of the large cities people compare Charlotte to. I dont get how Charolotte has an image of being so much bigger than it really is when you never hear about places like Richmond or Louisville (which in my opinion have much more dense, historic neighborhoods).
Not sure why you're poo-pooing the estimates, as they give us some insight into the growth that been occurring here lately. They tend to reasonable indicators of that, and they have small margins of error. So they have their place and shouldn't be dismissed outright. And it would also explain Charlotte's image as a bigger city--it's due to the rapid growth that the city has experienced in recent years and continues to experience, both in terms of population and the economy. Richmond and Louisville may be denser, older cities, but they aren't growing quite as quickly as Charlotte--again, both in terms of population and the economy. The economic factors here are more important, as people are naturally attracted to cities that have an abundance of jobs. That's where Charlotte excels, and that's what speaks to people more than dense, historic neighborhoods. People would rather live in a place with more opportunities for economic advancement, which only makes sense.
Man, I had been keeping tabs on this thread back when i think it was at 5 or 6 pages. Somehow I forgot to look again...gotta get caught back up.
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I highly doubt that Miami and Jacksonville will merge within the next 30 lifetimes. I really mean that. They are more than 300 miles apart. Now maybe they will have a megalopolis. But one long metroplex. Will never happen.
30 lifetimes is a long time. Who knows? In the future, 300 miles may be nothing. Moving up the Florida coast may be like a quick jaunt to grab the newspaper...i dont know. 30 lifetimes ago was the BC era.
But your point still makes sense. The state of Florida (at least minus the panhandle) may soon become eerily similar to the megalopolis in the NE today. But that'll take some time, cause besides Daytona and St Augustine, theres not a lot going on from Jax down to the South FL metro.
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Honestly... As terrible and disliked as many think it is...
Phoenix, AZ probably has the highest population increase next to Vegas but has an economy that does not rely on tourism.. It has two downtowns that will probably merge within the next 5yrs with high-rises going up in a few other parts of the city.. Within 10yrs Phoenix will probably have a giant skyline.. from downtown to uptown the highrises are about 2 miles of almost being solid..
It's not Dallas but it will probably catch up or surpass within our lifetime.
Interesting. I bet the new light rail is helping with that.
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The Census Bureau isn't buying your consolidated City Pop Of 700,000..+.. something , and no one else in America is buying it either.
Not sure what there is to buy. Consolidation isn't an attempt to boost population ratings...it's intended to make goverment and municipal services more efficient and cost-effective. There are plenty of pros and cons though, but it's not about inflating the population
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I say Jacksonville. The downtown is improving, and the new international port thats currently being built will bring in a ton of jobs, and a ton of infrastructure for the city.
Yea, I'm excited for Jax! We'll see whether the administration over the next decade can take full advantage of Jacksonville's geographic blessings...but yes, if it can...Jax will be booming for some time to come. Jax Port has its eyes on being the second largest port on the east coast, and thats not far fetched at all. Add in the nuclear carrier coming in a few years, AND the new cruise terminal...Jacksonville can thank its lucky stars for having both a major river and the ocean at its fingertips. I really look forward to getting Peyton out of office, but I'll give him credit for the shipping ports. That will be his legacy as mayor (at least the positive part of it)
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Estimates are just that, estimates. We will wait until the next census comes out. Even so, Charolotte is still more similar to Louisville (urban area 880,000) in the latest estimates than it is to San Antonio or Atlanta or many of the large cities people compare Charlotte to. I dont get how Charolotte has an image of being so much bigger than it really is when you never hear about places like Richmond or Louisville (which in my opinion have much more dense, historic neighborhoods).
Well, Charlotte has an NFL and NBA team. Seriously, you are right in saying that an NBA team does not necessarily make a big city, but dont underestimate what it does for a city's image. Also, I dont think people often compare Charlotte to Atlanta. Well, usually it's a comparison to Atlanta of 15-20 years ago. Cause they've got lots going for them and some excellent examples "smart" growth...assuming they survive the banking crisis.
I wouldn't say Jackson, MS will be the "next" big city, but it is definitely on the list for "soon to come" with over $2 billion of downtown development under construction/on the drawing boards.
The economic factors here are more important, as people are naturally attracted to cities that have an abundance of jobs. That's where Charlotte excels, and that's what speaks to people more than dense, historic neighborhoods. People would rather live in a place with more opportunities for economic advancement, which only makes sense.
I wouldn't be touting Charlotte's economic opportunities too much being the job losses are continuing to mount and the unemployment rate for its metro area is probably over 9% by now.
I wouldn't be touting Charlotte's economic opportunities too much being the job losses are continuing to mount and the unemployment rate for its metro area is probably over 9% by now.
To clarify, I did mean up to this point. Area unemployment is 8.9%; for Mecklenburg County, it's 8.3%. Still, even in the face of rising unemployment, one of the advantages for Charlotte is an educated, talented labor pool.
To clarify, I did mean up to this point. Area unemployment is 8.9%; for Mecklenburg County, it's 8.3%. Still, even in the face of rising unemployment, one of the advantages for Charlotte is an educated, talented labor pool.
That's why we love Charlotte.
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