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Old 07-05-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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besides chicago, It would have to be milwaukee. Or maybe the twin cities.
the main reason that milwaukee is as diverse as it is is because of chicago. Milwaukee has the second largest hispanic population in the mid west, because of its proximity to chicago. its hispanic population is more diverse than any other city in the midwest except chicago. It has the largest puerto rican population west of the east coast besides chicago. Many of these puerto ricans came from lorain, where someone mentioned has a large boricua population. And there are large numbers of alot of other ethnic groups such as serbians, russians, jews, hmong, vietnamese, mexicans. Milwaukee has the third largest amount of blacks in the midwest as well. Historically milwaukee has been the most german and polish city in the nation as well.
Milwaukee does not have the 3rd largest amount of blacks in the Midwest. I'm pretty certain at this point Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit all have more. Heck, Columbus may be catching up and/or surpassing Milwaukee as well.

And you are confusing the whole Puerto Rican population. Cleveland has the large population and a lot are in the suburb of Lorain. Lorain is in OHIO not Wisconsin... so I'm not sure how you could possibly come up with any conclusion about Milwaukee with Puerto Ricans based on a city in Ohio. So, I think you mixing up stats from other cities to make Milwaukee look more diverse. Cleveland is as diverse, if not more so than Milwaukee (especially if you take into consideration the metro area).
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:12 PM
 
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2000 Census: black alone population

Chicago - 1,059,594
Detroit - 774,175
Cleveland - 242,481
Milwaukee - 220,770
Indianapolis - 198,792
St. Louis - 177,627
Columbus - 171,493
Cincinnati - 141,616
Kansas City - 135,671
MinneapolisSt. Paul – 99,656
Omaha - 51,173
Wichita - 38,796


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Old 07-05-2009, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Another way to look at it is number and percentage of African-Americans in the metro area:
Chicago-1,540,470/ 19.8%
Detroit-924,518/ 25.5%
St. Louis-517,267/ 18.3%
Cleveland-418,954/ 18.6%
Milwaukee-236,352/ 15.7%
Kansas City-226,503/ 12.8%
Indianapolis-225,974/ 14.9%
Cincinnati-216,084/ 11.7%
Columbus-206,136/ 13.4%

Also, if you include Akron, Cleveland is 495,402.
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Old 07-05-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Another way to look at it is number and percentage of African-Americans in the metro area:
Chicago-1,540,470/ 19.8%
Detroit-924,518/ 25.5%
St. Louis-517,267/ 18.3%
Cleveland-418,954/ 18.6%
Milwaukee-236,352/ 15.7%
Kansas City-226,503/ 12.8%
Indianapolis-225,974/ 14.9%
Cincinnati-216,084/ 11.7%
Columbus-206,136/ 13.4%

Also, if you include Akron, Cleveland is 495,402.
I used "black alone" so as not to include "race alone or in combination with one or more other races." Are you getting these numbers from the American Community Survey? You do realize their estimates are only of a sample of the population unlike the 2000 Census which is based on a total population count?

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Old 07-05-2009, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Milwaukee does not have the 3rd largest amount of blacks in the Midwest. I'm pretty certain at this point Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit all have more. Heck, Columbus may be catching up and/or surpassing Milwaukee as well.
Columbus city, Ohio - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2005-2007
Percentage-wise, Milwaukee has the 5th largest Black or African American population in the Midwest after Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. Milwaukee is 39.5% Black or African American, while Columbus is only 27.0% Black or African American.

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And you are confusing the whole Puerto Rican population. Cleveland has the large population and a lot are in the suburb of Lorain. Lorain is in OHIO not Wisconsin... so I'm not sure how you could possibly come up with any conclusion about Milwaukee with Puerto Ricans based on a city in Ohio. So, I think you mixing up stats from other cities to make Milwaukee look more diverse. Cleveland is as diverse, if not more so than Milwaukee (especially if you take into consideration the metro area).
Cleveland city, Ohio - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2005-2007
Puerto Rican 6.2% (25,077)

Milwaukee city, Wisconsin - ACS Demographic and Housing Estimates: 2005-2007
Puerto Rican 3.6% (20,966)
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Old 07-05-2009, 11:59 PM
 
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Milwaukee does not have the 3rd largest amount of blacks in the Midwest. I'm pretty certain at this point Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit all have more. Heck, Columbus may be catching up and/or surpassing Milwaukee as well.

And you are confusing the whole Puerto Rican population. Cleveland has the large population and a lot are in the suburb of Lorain. Lorain is in OHIO not Wisconsin... so I'm not sure how you could possibly come up with any conclusion about Milwaukee with Puerto Ricans based on a city in Ohio. So, I think you mixing up stats from other cities to make Milwaukee look more diverse. Cleveland is as diverse, if not more so than Milwaukee (especially if you take into consideration the metro area).
My bad. i didnt realize that cleveland had almost 500,000 in the city limits. i thought it was less than that. So that means milwaukee has the fourth most blacks in the midwest.

I knew lorain was in ohio, and that is where many puerto ricans in milwaukee come from (my grand father was half puerto rican and he worked an industrial job in lorain). The other ones came from puerto rico itself, chicago, and the east coast. Puerto rican immigration to the states has really tailed off, but mexicans and central americans are still immigrating in large numbers. So the hispanic population of milwaukee will continue to grow much quicker than clevelands hispanic population.

The city of milwaukee is probably more diverse than cleveland. Many more asians in milwaukee (hmong, vietnamese) than in cleveland. Also more hispanics and more diversity in hispanics than cleveland, However, cleveland has many more eastern and southeastern euros and probably more jews.

The metro area of cleveland is pretty close to milwaukee, since the diversity really drops off after you leave the city, especially for milwaukee but also in cleveland. Overall, the two cities are very, very, very similiar to eachother. Drving through the two, you could barely tell the difference if you didnt know better.

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Old 07-06-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR -> Rocky River, OH
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Black doesn't mean "diverse"...last two pages..
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I used "black alone" so as not to include "race alone or in combination with one or more other races." Are you getting these numbers from the American Community Survey? You do realize their estimates are only of a sample of the population unlike the 2000 Census which is based on a total population count?
I believe all of those numbers are from the 2000 census.
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Old 07-06-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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I think some of those above stats are off a little. I'll put the newest stats I can find, new census populations and estimates.
Chicago-38% white, 35% black, 5% Asian, 23% other. 28% Hispanic (of any race)
Detroit-10% white, 83% black, 1% Asian, 6% other, 6% Hispanic (of any race)
Indianapolis-66% white, 26% black, 2% Asian, 6% other. 7% Hispanic (of any race)
Columbus- 66% white, 26% black, 4% Asian, 4% other. 4% Hispanic (of any race)
Milwaukee- 45% white, 39% black, 3% Asian, 13% other. 15% Hispanic (of any race)
Oklahoma City- 68% white, 14% black, 4% Asian, 14% other. 14% Hispanic (of any race)
Kansas City- 63% white, 29% black, 2% Asian, 8% other. 9% Hispanic (of any race)
Omaha- 77% white, 13% black, 2% Asian, 8% other. 11% Hispanic (of any race)
Cleveland- 39% white, 53% black, 2% Asian, 6% other. 8% Hispanic (of any race)
Tulsa-68% white, 16% black, 2% Asian, 15% other. 11% Hispanic (of any race)

It can be for any size city though, not just the largest.

The city I live in right now (Lorain, OH in the Cleveland area) is diverse for the midwest: 65% white (55% white non-Hispanic), 19% black, 1% Asian, 16% other. 22% Hispanic (of any race). I would guess the Midwest average would be about 85% white, 10% black, 1% Asian, 3% other. 4% Hispanic (of any race).
OK City and Tulsa are listed as part of the West South Central by the Census...a subregion of the South at large. Probably should be taken off of your list. Just FYI.
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Old 07-07-2009, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Suburbs of Chicago
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Thumbs down Sheesh

All I want to say is:

What difference does it make?
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