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Its just the nature of the two cities. They are just different.
White Households in Philadelphia earning $100,000+ 21,805
Minority Households in SF earning $100,000+ 32,631
Once again we have another 18M statistic with no links or citations of any kind to substantiate it. Why am I the only one who ever calls you on this?
And this is offset by Philadelphia's non-existent Asian Museum. Point for SF.
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2.) The fact that you're not even conceding history to Philadelphia in this discussion is extremely distorted. That you're comparing something like the gold rush to the significance of a city steeped in the founding of this country shows glaring West Coast bias.
Oh please. It must pain you to finally be told that your self perceived patent on historical significance is really only a part of a much bigger picture that makes up America.
What's even more ridiculous is claims of importance TODAY based on things that happened over 200 years ago.
Its a fact, the Gold Rush is probably the most significant event in the history of the Western US. It put the west on the map and caused a shift in power from the east that is still happening today.
And SF was the center of the Gold Rush. People flocked from all over the world at a time when Philly was actually starting to lose its hold on power.
Now I think SF is important historically because of things like the Gold Rush, but its still relevant in 2009 because of all the things that have occured since then. SF didnt just whither away, it only got better.
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3.) Ever hear of the Rodin museum -- largest collection outside of Paris? How about the under construction Barnes? Sorry, but again, you're pretty off base if you think SF has any sort of advantage on the arts front.
That is all small change compared to the Fisher Art Collection being donated to SFMOMA.
this AP Article from the LA Times(Also carried by the NYT) said the following:
Quote: The San Francisco Museum of Modern Art will house one of the world's great contemporary art collections after forming a partnership with Gap Inc. founders Don and Doris Fisher to house the couple's some 1,100 works.
This is from artdaily.org
Quote: Doris and Donald Fisher that would provide the Fisher Collection—one of the world's leading collections of contemporary art—with a home at SFMOMA. http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?in...&int_new=33523
Here's a quote from Reuters:
Quote: The agreement with the Fisher family represents a coup for the museum, elevating its profile among institutions around the world that house modern art. http://www.reuters.com/article/artsN...58O73R20090925
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The New York Times said this in its Obit to Don Fisher:
Quote: Fisher also served on the Boards of Trustees of the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art. This past week the museum announced plans to permanently house the Fisher Collection, one of the world's leading private collections of contemporary art, upon completion of its expansion. http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/...ss-uk-gap.html
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4.) Immigration is irrelevant to this discussion.
Im not surprised you say this. Immigration has had much less of an impact on Philly than it has in SF.
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We're not talking about transit use, but transit availability.
And despite the perceived advantage in transit availability-which really is no the case at all, Philly still has less transit riders per capita.
White Households in Philadelphia earning $100,000+ 21,805
Minority Households in SF earning $100,000+ 32,631
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I'm not surprised by this statistic ( If it's actually true). San Francisco is the most overpriced city in the country. Of course that is only my opinion, but it boggles my mind that people have to pay so much to live in that city.
Back to taking about downtowns; The homeless problem in San Francisco's downtown is pretty sad. No where else in the US have I seen so many homeless and in such bad conditions physically. It's great that there's tons of stores where you can buy a $300 pair of jeans but the condition of many homeless downtown is quite deplorable.
I'm not surprised by this statistic ( If it's actually true).
More stats whose veracity you can ponder on...
Median Family Income, 2008
San Francisco City, CA $91,812
Philadelphia City, PA $46,363
Now, keep in mind Philadelphia is about 2x the size of SF.
Households Earning $200,000+, 2008 San Francisco, CA 45,805...14.1% of all households
Philadelphia, PA 10,192...1.7% of all households
Adults Age 25+ with a Master's, Professional or Doctoral Degree, 2008
San Francisco City, CA 130,332...20.7% of all adults age 25+
Philadelphia City, PA 83,942...9.0% of all adults age 25+
Million Dollar Homes, 2008
San Francisco City, CA 38,252...29.9% of all homes
Philadelphia City, PA 2,554...0.7% of all homes
The more one looks into the socio-economics of these 2 cities, the more evident it becomes that we are comparing two very different places.
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San Francisco is the most overpriced city in the country.
No different from any other desirable world city.
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Back to taking about downtowns; The homeless problem in San Francisco's downtown is pretty sad. No where else in the US have I seen so many homeless and in such bad conditions physically. It's great that there's tons of stores where you can buy a $300 pair of jeans but the condition of many homeless downtown is quite deplorable.
Well, reverse the old saying....
Ever silver cloud has a dark lining.
Light a cigarrette once you get off embarcaderro Bart and see if you can make it one block with out a bum, crackhead, ghetto loser, asking you for a cig. You'll have said no to a royal rumbles worth of people by the time you make it to the warf. Bleh.
Again, those stats are meaningless considering how overpriced San Francisco is. You need much more disposable income to enjoy yourself than you do in Philadelphia. 30% of all homes are million dollar homes? I guess we know why the entire mortgage crisis effeced Ca in such a huge way and why there is such a discprepency between SF and Philly foreclosure rates. Philly housing prices have remained stable.
If this recession has taught us anything, it's that people need to live within their means and in that regard Philly is poised for a greater future than SF.
More stats whose veracity you can ponder on...
Median Family Income, 2008
San Francisco City, CA $91,812
Philadelphia City, PA $46,363
This looks like pure fantasy on the posters behalf. The wealthiest suburban counties in the US only have median Household incomes is $100,000. You expect to roll out an Urban CITY of 770,000 people having a median household income of $91,000? Not on my watch.
Census Bureau (2007 est)has SF County at $67,333(2007). SF City at $55,221(1999). Now thats very impressive for a city but its a far cry from $91,000.
Meanwhile Philadephia has 6 suburban counties with household median Incomes greater than SF County, those 6 counties in large part patronizes Center City which is the point of this thread, which is getting off track as per usual with Montcliar.
Population of those 6 suburban counties in excess of 3 million people. Avg of their Household median income $73,000.
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