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Old 05-19-2010, 07:40 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Who cares who took the pictures, that's irrelevant to subject.

Again, for the 4th or 5th time, STL has many BDs, not just downtown. And bragging about your downtown being larger in area is quite silly. Most prefer a compact, dense CBD with all the major points within walking distance.

STL metro is larger than KC, has more to do and offers more opportunies than KC metro.

Fact.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I hope you guys are Mizzou fans, at least we can agree on that.
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Yea, that's another thing. Downtown KC has more office space than downtown StL.

KC has about 16 million of rentable space, 20 million plus total (with federal, city, state buildings)

StL has 13 million of rentable (not sure total).

Plaza in KC has close to 5 million sq ft of office and who knows how many residents.

Clayton has about 8 million I think.

Sort of evens out eh?
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:55 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Yea, that's another thing. Downtown KC has more office space than downtown StL.

KC has about 16 million of rentable space, 20 million plus total (with federal, city, state buildings)

StL has 13 million of rentable (not sure total).

Plaza in KC has close to 5 million sq ft of office and who knows how many residents.

Clayton has about 8 million I think.

Sort of evens out eh?

KC has 12 million Class A and B
STL has 11 million

Office

CBD-Downtown, Kansas City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clayton does have 8 million.

I'll take your word on Plaza.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Wikipedia? If you are going to list KC Class A & B only, then do the same for StL.

http://www.trammellcrow.com/tcwebwww...CityOffice.pdf

That's a real link. Says Downtown KC has over 22 million sq ft of office space.

Here is a link that is actually quite telling.

http://www.trammellcrow.com/tcwebwww...Midyear-06.pdf


Total KC office market 88 million

Total StL office market 46 million


So maybe all these imaginary downtowns don't quite add up after all
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I did list STL class A and B space. Follow the link.

STL - 11 M
KC - 12 M

Clayton - 8 M
Plaza - 4.8?M

And your links are 5 years old.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Saint Louis City
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I'm getting a headache. Everyone put down the computer and go spend some time with your loved ones.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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And your links are 5 years old.
Try less than four years old.

so what, it's going to be close. If anything, the gap would be wider since KC generally adds more space than StL annually.

You started this .
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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They are from 2006, It's 2010. That's 4. And they are probably not representing the total space, it doesn't make that clear.

STL metro > KC metro, even all the outsiders that have chimed in agree. Take your medicine and go back to getting embarrassed on the KC board by the JoCo posters.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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don't take defeat too kindly huh. haha
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