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If the school is regionally or nationally accredited, they are NOT degree mills. The students still need to meet and do the work in completing the degree program.
The accreditating bodies have guidelines on what the schools MUST meet in order to be accredited.
There are some schools that are not regionally nor nationally accredited but are state-approved schools instead. They are not degree mills either because they MUST also meet the requirements that the state has for each school.
California is one of the states that have several state-approved schools that are not regionally nor nationally accredited. California has strict guidelines on what the schools MUST meet and they are not degree mills either.
If you plan to use those degrees outside California, then the person must check with the state where he wants to use it to check its validity in that state - some states may not accept them but most states accept them since they are state-approved schools although not regionally nor nationally accredited school but they may have additional requirements which is specifically true for licensing (lawyer, PhD, PsyD, etc).
To give an example, for law school, the regionally accredited schools charge around $150,000 for the whole program. For nationally accredited school, around $60,000. For state-accredited schools, around $50,000. For state-approved, around $12,000 to $30,000.
If you plan to apply for your FIRST lawyer job at big firms or Wall Street and work 80 hours per week, go to the $150,000 law school program.
If you plan to work for a mid-size law firms and work 40 to 50 hours per week, go to a school that is not $150,000 school. If you plan to open your own law firm or work for a small law firm to start with, why would someone want to have a $150,000 or even a $50,000 debt?
Return on investment is always a biggie and not everybody wants to work for a big law firm that pays $90,000 but work 80 hours per week .
You have a lot to learn about the real world. Regarding law school, forget about accreditation, you probably won't get hired if you don't graduate from a higher ranked law school.
You have a lot to learn about the real world. Regarding law school, forget about accreditation, you probably won't get hired if you don't graduate from a higher ranked law school.
Didn't you UNDERSTAND my post regarding opening your OWN law firm and Return on Investment?
They won't and don't hire people who get a piece of paper from a degree mill. It appears you have trouble working with people smarter than you.
Based on your posts and the PERSONALITY that you show in this forum, I will definitely NOT hire somebody like you. I hire people all the time (panel) and as soon as the applicants leave, the members of the panel then start talking "What do you think of that guy?" The answers from the members vary from "He seems annoying to work with", "He will be a good fit and it seems like we will be able to work as a team", "He seems open to be trained and willing to learn", "He cannot even smile", etc.
Interviewers look at personality and will NEVER want to hire someone who they think "will be a pain in the ass to work with everyday."
Just think of the group work that you did when you were in school.
To work with smart people? PERFECT.
To work with people who think they are smart? PAIN in the ass.
Last edited by practical111; 06-27-2012 at 09:55 PM..
You need to learn how the schools get accredited and what requirements the schools MUST meet to be accredited.
The line you are using is one that people often use who went to a for-profit. You should read up on how for-profits have bought closed down schools with accredidation.
Acreditdation means nothing when you have no admission standards.
It has to do with the quality of student at these schools. It's all relative to others who attended better schools.
Its not relative at all. If there are 2 jobs, and 10 applicants, yeah, the Harvard grads are more likely to get the job over degree mill grad, but if they are ALL Harvard grads, 8 of them are still going to be unemployed.
Yeah, Ivy League and tier 1 schools probably dont have high unemployment rates, because their grads will continue to get hired in to the best jobs until there are no jobs left.
However, unemployment rates amongst tier 2, 3 and worse schools are creeping up. Why? Its not because these people cant do the job, or arent qualified, its just that there is no need for them when they can hire a Harvard grad or top end state school grad to do the job instead.
Not only in many cases is accreditation no more than stroking a check, but in some cases, for profits simply just create their own accrediting bodies. There are already 52 national accrediting bodies.
Accreditdation means nothing. For-profits can just buy into it. A schools quality is determined by the admissions requirements.
I disagree with that. Just because theyll let anyone in, doesnt neccesarily mean that anyone makes up the student body, and it also doesnt neccessarily speak for the quality of education being delivered.
Not only in many cases is accreditation no more than stroking a check, but in some cases, for profits simply just create their own accrediting bodies. There are already 52 national accrediting bodies.
The schools MUST apply to be accredited by the regionally and nationally accrediting bodies that are approved by the US Department of Education.
Regionally and nationally accrediting bodies CANNOT be created by the schools. They are their own entities.
Last edited by practical111; 06-28-2012 at 10:00 AM..
The line you are using is one that people often use who went to a for-profit. You should read up on how for-profits have bought closed down schools with accredidation.
Acreditdation means nothing when you have no admission standards.
No, I did not go to a for-profit school. I went to a non-profit brick and mortar university.
However, I hire people all the time as part of the hiring panel and I am at a very large company.
Do we weed out applicants based on the school they graduated from? NEVER.
Do we weed out applicants based on their experience? A lot of times so the applicant need to consider starting at the bottom.
Do we weed out applicants based on their personality? ALWAYS.
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