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It depends on whether you get to include Princeton. Princeton and Yale are the two super-elite schools that tilt the balance and both rank higher than Penn. My mother did her undergrad at Penn and my father got his DMD there. I don’t see that Drexel and Temple add much. The Main Line liberal arts schools are really small. Nova is good but not elite.
If you’re allowed to put Stanford and UCB as San Francisco, that’s #2 unless Philly is claiming Princeton.
I don't include Princeton for Philadelphia or NYC, kind of its own bubble.
But regarding the rest of your post... Dismissive to say Drexel and Temple don't add much. They are very large notable universities. Just because a university isn't top 50 doesn't make it irrelevant or subpar... The obsession with college rankings is almost as bad as the obsession with Fortune 500s.
And even though I don't like US News rankings, Villanova ranks right around #50 in the US with an acceptance rate of under 30%, that certainly qualifies Villanova as more than "good".
Not to mention the dozens other colleges / universities / research institutions in and around Philadelphia, and while most Liberal Arts schools are small, they are still a very strong educational facet in favor of Boston and Philadelphia, and don't forget Swarthmore College, which isn't on the Main Line. Also, while I am on the topic... not sure how small size takes away from esteem? Many high ranking universities have small enrollments, Cal Tech is a good example.
I considered a lot of criteria for this thread... Amount / variety of institutions, offerings of institutions, mix of private and state, reputation / rankings, medical education, research centers, overall education community, etc.
My rank for top 5... Obviously Boston is #1, then some combination of LA, SF, PHL, NYC, Chicago. (two would be a tie since they all deserve a spot in top 5).
Each city can make a case.
I am basing this on city + metro, NOT CSA. Including CSA starts to get messy.
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UChicago And Northwestern is arguably the most elite 1-2 combo outside of Harvard/MIT.
The School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC) is also an elite art/design school of the world.
Illinois Institute of Technology is a solid school as well and was ranked #64 globally by U.S. News and World Report and different professional schools/programs are highly ranked by multiple organizations.
Notre Dame isn't far from Metro Chicago though you didn't define being "just outside." It is "just outside" the CSA by any definition.
What about UCLA-CalTwch-USC (whatever orders you use)
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It's probably NYC and LA with this being dependent on whether the CSA is included. If it's by MSA, then they're on overall pretty even footing, but if it's by CSA, then it throws in many more notable higher education institutions for NYC. After that comes Chicago, the Bay Area (CSA), and Philadelphia. Then Pittsburgh, the Research Triangle (CSA), and Atlanta.
The DC-Baltimore CSA isn't very cohesive as an entity, but if considered as one and going by CSAs, then it'd be right ahead of Pittsburgh.
Actually regarding education, it's more cohesive than the average person would think of. John's Hopkins already has a presence in DC, and now they're expanding their campus to the entire Newseum building on Pennsylvania Avenue across the street from the US Capitol. Patients in the DC area get flown to John's Hopkins Baltimore shock trauma for major accidents/ injuries all the time.
Univ Md medical system is a cohesive unit, based in Baltimore, but branches and expansion across both the DC and Baltimore suburbs. A new UMD "Capital Region" hospital is being built as we speak 5 mins away from my house. Also 9 out of 12 schools in the overall Univ Md system of institutions is split among schools in the Washington-Baltimore CSA. These schools are each independent, but cohesively share research or resources among one another.
Then you have the entire iNova system covering Northern Va which is an entity of itself. Not to mention MedStar health throughout much of DC. It's pretty robust all over.
I have no problem with grading the metric by metro area only, but it's interesting to look at what exists using both metrics.
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Rank University No. of Nobel Laureates
Boston:
#1 Harvard 161
#5 MIT 97
New York:
#6 Columbia 96
#10 Princeton 69
#11 Yale 65
#19 NYU 38
#19 Rockefeller 38
Bay Area:
#3 UC Berkeley 110
#7 Stanford 84
Chicago:
#4 University of Chicago 100
Los Angeles:
#8 CalTech 76
#30 UCLA 25
Washington:
#17 Johns Hopkins 39
Philadelphia:
#21 Pennsyvlvania 36
Other US Universities in Top 30:
#12 Cornell 61
#24 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 30
#24 University of Minnesota 30
#26 UC San Diego 27
#28 University of Michigan 26
#28 University of Wisconsin-Madison 26
#30 Washington University in St Louis 25
Ah, LA city got USC and UCLA. Plus, considering Caltech is in the metro, it deserves a spot in the top 5. Philly too, considering UofPenns(though not as high profile as its peers) is Ivy League.
Here is a world's top 100 ranking by QS World University Rankings. For what it is worth, sitting at #9 UChicago is the highest ranked university/college that is located within the city limits of a major city in the USA.( It's #3 in the world after ETH Zurich and Imperial College London) https://www.topuniversities.com/stud...0-universities
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At risk of hijacking the thread, I'm going to reject the original assumption - which is that Boston number one.
In my view, it is a little bit silly to just consider universities when evaluating higher education. A lot of innovative research these days is conducted by teams in industry at places like Google and Invidia, and a summer research internship at one of these companies is extremely valuable for a graduate student. With that in mind, I think the Bay Area actually tops Boston as the center of higher education in the country. It is where the most innovative research is happening in biotech, AI, fintech, etc. It is not uncommon for people at Stanford or UC Berkeley to team up with people in industry to publish papers.
For Chicago, everyone knows Northwestern, U Chicago, IIT - but a lot of people forget that the Argonne National Laboratory and Fermi Lab are both in the Chicago metro area. This gives Chicago some serious credentials in areas like physics and supercomputing.
In my view, it is a little bit silly to just consider universities when evaluating higher education. A lot of innovative research these days is conducted by teams in industry
Plenty of this in Kendall. I know Google and Amazon have big presences, don’t know about Invidia. Have you heard of MIT’s “Engine”? Lot of cool projects there: https://www.engine.xyz/founders/
Moderna (which has been on the news a bit recently) is a company started by Harvard people.
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It's probably NYC and LA with this being dependent on whether the CSA is included. If it's by MSA, then they're on overall pretty even footing, but if it's by CSA, then it throws in many more notable higher education institutions for NYC. After that comes Chicago, the Bay Area (CSA), and Philadelphia. Then Pittsburgh, the Research Triangle (CSA), and Atlanta.
The DC-Baltimore CSA isn't very cohesive as an entity, but if considered as one and going by CSAs, then it'd be right ahead of Pittsburgh.
Just go by MSA.
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