After Boston, what's the next higher education capital of the US? (degree, reputations)

[TheProf]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

It depends on whether you get to include Princeton. Princeton and Yale are the two super-elite schools that tilt the balance and both rank higher than Penn. My mother did her undergrad at Penn and my father got his DMD there. I don’t see that Drexel and Temple add much. The Main Line liberal arts schools are really small. Nova is good but not elite.

If you’re allowed to put Stanford and UCB as San Francisco, that’s #2 unless Philly is claiming Princeton.

I disagree with your criteria. Just because the Main Line colleges are small, doesn't lessen their prestige, and Bryn Mawr and Haverford are elite... And then there's Swarthmore, off the Main Line, which is arguably even more elite. But just having elite colleges alone, which Philly clearly has, shouldn't be the lone barometer for being a higher ed 'capital.' The fact is, Temple and Drexel are large, major research I level schools, one next door to Penn; the other, 3 miles away. Then there's St. Joseph's, a solid Jesuit college. And Villanova, another Main Line school, is a top 50 school. ... at least, by US News standards IIRC... Also, very solid Ursinus, in nearby Collegeville, adds to the list. Then throw in other colleges, such as LaSalle and Rutgers-Camden, directly across the Delaware River from Center City; along with major free-standing med schools, such as Jefferson and PCOM, and by any measure, Philly is an American pillar of higher ed; in my opinion, nearly even with Boston, esp re colleges per capita -- and there are some, like U. of Arts, Eastern, Moore College of Arts, PA Academy of Fine Arts and Pierce College, (4 of these in Center City) that I didn't even mention.

[18Montclair]

US News' global ranking is much more reputation and peer review based then their domestic undergrad ranking, which adds an emphasis on class size, alumni giving and other peripheral criteria.

FYI The Overall Top 10 is as follows:
#1 Harvard University(USA)
#2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology(USA)
#3 Stanford University(USA)
#4 University of California-Berkeley(USA)
#5 Oxford University(UK)
#6 Columbia University(USA)
#7 California Institute of Technology(USA)
#8 University of Washington(USA)
#9 Cambridge University(UK)
#10 Johns Hopkins University(USA)

To be clear, for any school to make the top 100 in the world is very impressive, these are all respected institutions.

2021 US News and World Report Best Global Universities Ranking

Top 100 BY COMBINED STATISTICAL AREA
by highest ranking school per CSA

Boston-Worcester-Providence
#1 Harvard University
#2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#57 Boston University

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland
#3 Stanford University
#4 University of California-Berkeley
#15 University of California-San Francisco
#81 University of California-Santa Cruz

New York-Newark
#6 Columbia University
#11 Princeton University
#11 Yale University
#29 New York University
#62 Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
#76 Rockefeller University

Los Angeles-Long Beach
#7 California Institute of Technology
#13 University of California-Los Angeles
#70 University of Southern California
#78 University of California-Irvine

Seattle-Tacoma
#8 University of Washington

Washington-Baltimore-Arlington
#10 Johns Hopkins University
#60 University of Maryland-College Park

Philadelphia-Reading-Camden
#14 University of Pennsylvania

Chicago-Naperville:
#15 University of Chicago
#24 Northwestern University

Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor
#17 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor

Toronto, Ontario
#17 University of Toronto

San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad
#21 University of California-San Diego

Ithaca, New York
#22 Cornell University

Raleigh-Durham-Cary
#23 Duke University
#36 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill

Vancouver, British Columbia
#31 University of British Columbia

St Louis-St Charles-Farmington
#33 Washington University in St Louis

Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown
#38 University of Texas-Austin

Madison-Janesville-Beloit
#41 University of Wisconsin-Madison

Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton
#43 University of Pittsburgh
#94 Carnegie Mellon University

Columbus-Marion-Zanesville
#41 Ohio State University-Columbus

Minneapolis-St Paul
#47 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities

Montreal, Quebec
#51 McGill University

Santa Maria-Santa Barbara
#56 University of California-Santa Barbara

Denver-Aurora
#59 University of Colorado-Boulder

Champaign-Urbana
#60 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign

Atlanta-Athens-Clarke County-Sandy Springs
#66 Georgia Institute of Technology
#71 Emory University

Sacramento-Roseville
#66 University of California-Davis

Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Bristol
#72 Vanderbilt University

State College-DuBois
#75 Pennsylvania State University-University Park

Tucson-Nogales
#97 University of Arizona

Lansing-East Lansing
#100 Michigan State University

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings

EDIT: I have to point out this observation, American public universities shine on the world stage at graduate level-just look at this ranking! WOW.

[Drewjdeg]

Originally Posted by Boston Shudra

Plenty of this in Kendall. I know Google and Amazon have big presences, don’t know about Invidia. Have you heard of MIT’s “Engine”? Lot of cool projects there: https://www.engine.xyz/founders/

Moderna (which has been on the news a bit recently) is a company started by Harvard people.



I’d love to see a source for this one.

Boston probably has the Bay Area beat for biotech and pharma, but I think the Bay Area offers more diversity overall.

Also, meant to write Nvidia.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/research/

[kimumingyu]

I voted for SF but I think Chicago and Philly are strong contenders as well.

I'm shook that 3 people voted for Atlanta, that is not exactly what I'd call a higher education capital.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

US News' global ranking is much more reputation and peer review based then their domestic undergrad ranking, which adds an emphasis on class size, alumni giving and other peripheral criteria.

FYI The Overall Top 10 is as follows:
#1 Harvard University(USA)
#2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology(USA)
#3 Stanford University(USA)
#4 University of California-Berkeley(USA)
#5 Oxford University(UK)
#6 Columbia University(USA)
#7 California Institute of Technology(USA)
#8 University of Washington(USA)
#9 Cambridge University(UK)
#10 Johns Hopkins University(USA)

To be clear, for any school to make the top 100 in the world is very impressive, these are all respected institutions.

2021 US News and World Report Best Global Universities Ranking

Top 100 BY COMBINED STATISTICAL AREA
by highest ranking school per CSA

Boston-Worcester-Providence
#1 Harvard University
#2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#57 Boston University

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland
#3 Stanford University
#4 University of California-Berkeley
#15 University of California-San Francisco
#81 University of California-Santa Cruz

New York-Newark
#6 Columbia University
#11 Princeton University
#11 Yale University
#29 New York University
#62 Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
#76 Rockefeller University

Los Angeles-Long Beach
#7 California Institute of Technology
#13 University of California-Los Angeles
#70 University of Southern California
#78 University of California-Irvine

Seattle-Tacoma
#8 University of Washington

Washington-Baltimore-Arlington
#10 Johns Hopkins University
#60 University of Maryland-College Park

Philadelphia-Reading-Camden
#14 University of Pennsylvania

Chicago-Naperville:
#15 University of Chicago
#24 Northwestern University

Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor
#17 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor

Toronto, Ontario
#17 University of Toronto

San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad
#21 University of California-San Diego

Ithaca, New York
#22 Cornell University

Raleigh-Durham-Cary
#23 Duke University
#36 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill

Vancouver, British Columbia
#31 University of British Columbia

St Louis-St Charles-Farmington
#33 Washington University in St Louis

Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown
#38 University of Texas-Austin

Madison-Janesville-Beloit
#41 University of Wisconsin-Madison

Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton
#43 University of Pittsburgh
#94 Carnegie Mellon University

Columbus-Marion-Zanesville
#41 Ohio State University-Columbus

Minneapolis-St Paul
#47 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities

Montreal, Quebec
#51 McGill University

Santa Maria-Santa Barbara
#56 University of California-Santa Barbara

Denver-Aurora
#59 University of Colorado-Boulder

Champaign-Urbana
#60 University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign

Atlanta-Athens-Clarke County-Sandy Springs
#66 Georgia Institute of Technology
#71 Emory University

Sacramento-Roseville
#66 University of California-Davis

Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Bristol
#72 Vanderbilt University

State College-DuBois
#75 Pennsylvania State University-University Park

Tucson-Nogales
#97 University of Arizona

Lansing-East Lansing
#100 Michigan State University

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings

EDIT: I have to point out this observation, American public universities shine on the world stage at graduate level-just look at this ranking! WOW.

ARWU Is so much better. Icahn at 62 but Brown out of the top 100? No.

[personone]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Just noticed I left NYC off the poll

But why Chicago over LA?

I can definitely see the argument. UChicago and Nortwestern are Ivy League equivalents. LA doesn't really have any Ivy equivalent schools. USC is not, and UCLA is a great state school, but not an Ivy equivalent (like Cal Berkley). LA would win in terms of depth though. Again, I can see the argument for placing Chicago over LA, but I think there is also a case for placing LA over Chicago.

[BigCity76]

UC Berkeley above Oxford and Univ of Washington above Cambridge? Umm, no.

I love Berkeley and have always put it almost at the Ivy tier similar to UVA, Univ of Michigan and Northwestern as 3 other examples.

But it's not top 5 overall in the world, and it sure as hell is not ahead of Oxford. But top 15-20? Sure.

For DC, where are Georgetown and George Washington? G'town falls in that same category as those other 4 I just named and GW is a Top 50 school.

[masssachoicetts]

ARWU by Metro Area, Rankings in the World

Boston MSA
1. Harvard
3. MIT
38. Boston University
57-65. Tufts University
57-65. UMass Medical School
66-94. Northeastern University
95. Bandies Universtiy

New York City MSA
6. Columbia University
19-20. NYU
21-22. Rockefeller University
42-56. Ichan Medicne
42-56. Rutgers NB
66-94. Yeshiva

Philadelphia MSA
6. Princeton (Mercer=Philadelphia MM, Princeton works with Philly much more, is closer to Philly. I live right 3 miles from Princeton and it is Philly rep everywhere. Every person I know who goes to Princeton works heavily in PHL. Princeton ias as much NYC as Brown is to NYC over Boston/Providence.)
19. UPenn
95. Drexel

San Francisco/Bay Area
2. Stanford
4. Berkeley
16. UC SF

Los Angeles
7. CalTech
11. UCLA
32. USC
35. Irvine

Raleigh/Durham Area
19-20. Duke
21-22. Chapel Hill UNC
66-94. NC State Raleigh

[Ne999]

Yea not sure their criteria..brown tufts Boston college seem interesting to not include in top 100 as well as Georgetown but have to look at criteria

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by Ne999

Yea not sure their criteria..brown tufts Boston college seem interesting to not include in top 100 as well as Georgetown but have to look at criteria

A lot of these lists include teeny tiny schools like Icahn and Rockefeller. I think Rockefeller has less than 150 students.

Granted these lists mean horse crap in the real world. Because a school like Berkely School of Music and Emerson cant crap the top 200 on either list but somehow deliver more funding and real world applications than 90% on these lists.