10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
Location: Colorado
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This is why I hate the fact that it's getting increasingly difficult to buy a manual drive car in this country. I know a lot of people drive safely thro the mountains in an automatic but I never feel safe in one of those.
I want to be the who decides when to change gears, not the car. I use my manual gears to slow the car down without having to stomp on the brake and in 16 years have only once spun the car on an icy road (which resulted from going around a bend too quickly). By the time I get around to selling my vehicle I bet there won't be a single new, stick-shift vehicle anywhere in North America
10-05-2011, 01:51 PM
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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>>>>>>> downgrades. I nearly always shift my 4WD vehicle OUT of 4WD on slick downgrades-because the front axle drag in 4WD can actually cause a loss of steering control when coming downhill. .......... Having 4WD is of zero benefit on downgrades, ............................"
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superorb
......................many people "cook their brakes" on long downhill grades. People must not notice all the signage that tells you to use a lower gear and keep it slow for several miles ahead.
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Of all the info contained in this 'Thread"............the above quoted info is..IMHO..some of the most important.
I've driven I-70 west out of Denver into Utah and other western states (
Way before the "tunnel" was constructed..) started doing that drive in 1965....Vehicles were: RearWD cars, RearWD P.U. FrontWD cars, 4WD P.U. .... and many times:a 4WD P.U. loaded with hunting gear--pulling a 4-Horse trailer>>>>over the top of "Loveland Pass (11,400')" in a Blizzard & 11 to 16 inches of snow on the road--plows could not keep up--. "WHY you ask"?
------Because ELK HUNTING SEASON opened the next day
....and we were on our way to our "elk camp" up Deep Creek Canyon west of Glenwood. Probably did THAT drive and many others like it (without the trailer) 150 times ----in LOUSY, snowy, wind-blown conditions---. But as stated above & in this thread: 1/..weight over the drive wheels; 2/ keep it out of 4WD going down grade; 3/ shift into a lower gear going down grade. 4/..have tire chains & a Tow Strap & (various other "common-sense" winter items" in the vehicle---just-in-case.
But don't worry..................if you go "over-the-side"......they usually find you in 2 to 3 days
EDIT: Need to correct myself: the elevation of the highway (Old CO Hwy #6) as you went over LOVELAND PASS, was 11,992 feet, obviously 2-lane and virtually no shoulder area. It was that type of dangerous highway until 1973 when the west bound lanes of the Tunnel were opened & in 1979 the east bound lanes were opened.
Up until I992 there was nothing but a two-lane highway (at river elevation) through Glenwood Canyon for 16 miles, the Interstate stopped at Gypsum. In '92 the present section of I-70 opened.
If you want a "Thrill".............find yourself on the top of Loveland Pass (11,992 feet) at 9 pm in a Blizzard...lying on your back on the snow-covered pavement...under your P.U.....re-setting the H.D. Tire-Chains on all 4 wheels,------because you now will begin the long drive through the blinding snow on the west side of the Continental Divide, ----
continuing to tow the 4400 pound horse trailer behind you--loaded with 4800 pounds of LIVING HORSE FLESH!! and obviously with the 4WD transfer case disengaged to the front axel (wheels). I'm sure that God was extra generous with the amount of "good-luck" he handed out on nights like that!!!
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10-05-2011, 02:07 PM
Location: The 719
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Once you're past Vail it should be a fairly easy drive, if there has been a recent storm Glenwood Canyon may have some icy spots, just take it slow, keep good distance between cars and drive smart, you should be just fine.
I'd agree to a point, but I drove my brother to California in his Trailduster and a U-hall in tow just the day after a Bronco/49er Superbowl debacle, and once we got somewhere into Utah, we were coming down a pretty good grade, and we came upon a snowstorm that approached like a fog bank... we started to slow down and what we saw ahead was a traffic jam on the ice. Due to the fact that I was down to 20 mph and the jack-knifing of my trailer, I was able to go around a stalled vehicle on I-70, drive around the shoulder, and back onto the road. From then on, we drove in 4wd high with the transmission in 2nd gear for a bit.
When decending on snow, go slow and use your gears, imo. Don't ever tailgate. Let the jerks pass you. Stay in the slow lane. What's the rush?
You might have to treat yourself in Vegas one night if the weather is good enough for you to make the 16 hour trek... in good weather that is.
10-05-2011, 04:58 PM
Location: Denver, CO
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Montana Griz
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EDIT: Need to correct myself: the elevation of the highway (Old CO Hwy #6) as you went over LOVELAND PASS, was 11,992 feet, obviously 2-lane and virtually no shoulder area. It was that type of dangerous highway until 1973 when the west bound lanes of the Tunnel were opened & in 1979 the east bound lanes were opened.
Here ya go, I took this last Sunday. It was at the top of the pass. You can even see I-70 in the background if you look carefully enough.
10-05-2011, 10:30 PM
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Montana Griz
If you want a "Thrill".............find yourself on the top of Loveland Pass (11,992 feet) at 9 pm in a Blizzard...lying on your back on the snow-covered pavement...under your P.U.....re-setting the H.D. Tire-Chains on all 4 wheels,------because you now will begin the long drive through the blinding snow on the west side of the Continental Divide, ----continuing to tow the 4400 pound horse trailer behind you--loaded with 4800 pounds of LIVING HORSE FLESH!! and obviously with the 4WD transfer case disengaged to the front axel (wheels). I'm sure that God was extra generous with the amount of "good-luck" he handed out on nights like that!!!
Ah, why exactly would you do that?
10-05-2011, 10:38 PM
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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Loveland Pass
Thanks "superorb"............. I drove through Colorado last year coming back from my 60th high school reunion and came over Loveland Pass. It still kinda lets you know how majestic those Colorado Rockies are.
Way back in 1967 a hunting buddy and I crossed over the top of "Mt San Louis" on horse back during a 7 day "High Country Quality Deer Hunt"..(F&G regs in those days: had to be above 10,000 feet, and you could only harvest a 4-Point or better Buck.) We were well inside the boundry of the LaGarita Wilderness Area. Never saw another human for 6 days.
Edit:.....forgot to mention the elevation of the game trail over the top was 13,996 feet and those special hunts were from Sept 1st through Sept 7th........Timber Line (a I remember) was about 11, 900).
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08-22-2012, 02:23 PM
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While I know this trip has passed (I am knew to this site). I recently looked at those steep downgrades outside of Denver in on I-70. Yaw were brave. To do those in the winter time?? Whew! I would have flown but it was probably cheaper for a family to drive. How did it go?
08-22-2012, 04:59 PM
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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While I know this trip has passed (I am knew to this site). I recently looked at those steep downgrades outside of Denver in on I-70. Yaw were brave. To do those in the winter time?? Whew! I would have flown but it was probably cheaper for a family to drive. How did it go?
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phetaroi
Ah, why exactly would you do that?
When you're
young, (mid thirties), somewhat fearless and love Elk Hunting you do things like that
.
And you gotta remember..................this was before the days of the Interstate............nothing but 2-lane highways back in the 1960(s).............and only about 3 feet of shoulder.
Wouldn't trade those memories for anything.
08-22-2012, 05:19 PM
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It wasn't that many years ago that Interstate 70 was just that-a two lane highway. In fact, Interstate 70 was a two lane road going through Glenwood Canyon until that massive (and costly) job was finished, it being completed I'm guessing in the early 1990's. There was also a stretch between DeBeque and Palisade where the designation on road maps was not I-70, but U.S. 6. The Eisenhower tunnel was completed in 1973, am thinking around Easter. The eastbound (Edwin Johnson) tunnel was completed six years later.
And yes, the roads were narrow. But I enjoyed those roads as the state had only 25% of the population as it does now.
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08-22-2012, 07:32 PM
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And yes, the roads were narrow. But I enjoyed those roads as the state had only 25% of the population as it does now.
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..................and that's why I moved to Montana
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Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)