[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by SAE72

You have a good point. Over the past few decades the Globalists from both parties have transferred trillions of dollars out of our economy . Not to mention trillions spent on " nation building " . The American worker has paid a heavy price for this behavior.

[CT_Yank]

Originally Posted by kinetek

I "took" your job for a simple reason - I do it better than you do. This is the way it is - corporations don't care about your nationality, they care only about if you can do the job right and let them make more money, if you can't compete - go and develop yourself instead of trolling online.

Another one who misses the point, my argument is not whether Indian tech workers are needed in the economy. They provide a valuable technical service..but we need less visas handed out and more control over job specifics. You can get off your high horse. India is not some magical place littered with computer geniuses. You simply have 1.5 billion people with massive amount of poverty. Given only 125m working people in US, you only need a small portion of population to learn tech skills and English to seize good portion of our job market.Kudos they have seized opportunity. Agreed about companies though.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by CT_Yank

Agreed about companies though.

Not really. For meatball repetitive task IT work, companies care about cost and pretty much nothing else. Recovering a crashed server does not require MIT/Cal Tech job skills. Unlike a lot of immigration issues, this is pretty close to zero sum. A company only needs X IT workers to get the job done. Using Infosys contractors, they can get the job done for 60 cents on the dollar compared with using US citizen full time employees who have much higher total comp. This isn't threatening the MIT/Cal Tech guy. It's threatening the Western Connecticut State IT grad who has to compete against Infosys contractors who get 60 cents on the dollar in total comp when you factor in vacation time, sick time, paid holidays, health/dental, 401(k) match, etc. This is all about money. Infosys doesn't do product development. They're a job shop and a center in metro Hartford would largely be a sales office with their contractors sitting in insurance company office buildings. It's not like that Western Connecticut State IT guy can compete without taking the same cut in total comp. They can even go be a contractor for Infosys but they're going to go unpaid for any day they don't work and they're going to be paying 100% of their group benefits. I've seen it happen. To add insult to injury, the full time employee replaced by the Infosys contractor has an Infosys job offer in hand so they can't file for unemployment. Many have no option but to take the deal and a lot of them are still working a year later as hourly contractors who see furloughs at all the holiday periods. How would you like it if your former employer had a policy where none of the contractors got paid for the 6 business days of Thanksgiving week and the following Monday, the 8 business days around Christmas-New Years, and Friday through Tuesday furloughs the other company holidays? It takes VP-level authorization to work those days. That's how you get to 60 cents on the dollar.

This stuff is evil.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Not really. For meatball repetitive task IT work, companies care about cost and pretty much nothing else. Recovering a crashed server does not require MIT/Cal Tech job skills. Unlike a lot of immigration issues, this is pretty close to zero sum. A company only needs X IT workers to get the job done. Using Infosys contractors, they can get the job done for 60 cents on the dollar compared with using US citizen full time employees who have much higher total comp. This isn't threatening the MIT/Cal Tech guy. It's threatening the Western Connecticut State IT grad who has to compete against Infosys contractors who get 60 cents on the dollar in total comp when you factor in vacation time, sick time, paid holidays, health/dental, 401(k) match, etc. This is all about money. Infosys doesn't do product development. They're a job shop and a center in metro Hartford would largely be a sales office with their contractors sitting in insurance company office buildings. It's not like that Western Connecticut State IT guy can compete without taking the same cut in total comp. They can even go be a contractor for Infosys but they're going to go unpaid for any day they don't work and they're going to be paying 100% of their group benefits. I've seen it happen. To add insult to injury, the full time employee replaced by the Infosys contractor has an Infosys job offer in hand so they can't file for unemployment. Many have no option but to take the deal and a lot of them are still working a year later as hourly contractors who see furloughs at all the holiday periods. How would you like it if your former employer had a policy where none of the contractors got paid for the 6 business days of Thanksgiving week and the following Monday, the 8 business days around Christmas-New Years, and Friday through Tuesday furloughs the other company holidays? It takes VP-level authorization to work those days. That's how you get to 60 cents on the dollar.

This stuff is evil.

But once again I ask, would you rather they opened this office somewhere else? Complain all you want about what a company like Inforsystem does, the fact is they are not going away and will be doing business here whether their office is in Hartford or Charlotte or Austin or New Delhi. This brings 1,000 decent paying tech jobs to a city that some who are uneducated would say has little to no tech sector. The article below explains how this came about and questions whether more will follow. This is a good start. Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/business/danh...e-12765403.php

[MrGompers]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Not really. For meatball repetitive task IT work, companies care about cost and pretty much nothing else. Recovering a crashed server does not require MIT/Cal Tech job skills. Unlike a lot of immigration issues, this is pretty close to zero sum. A company only needs X IT workers to get the job done. Using Infosys contractors, they can get the job done for 60 cents on the dollar compared with using US citizen full time employees who have much higher total comp. This isn't threatening the MIT/Cal Tech guy. It's threatening the Western Connecticut State IT grad who has to compete against Infosys contractors who get 60 cents on the dollar in total comp when you factor in vacation time, sick time, paid holidays, health/dental, 401(k) match, etc. This is all about money. Infosys doesn't do product development. They're a job shop and a center in metro Hartford would largely be a sales office with their contractors sitting in insurance company office buildings. It's not like that Western Connecticut State IT guy can compete without taking the same cut in total comp. They can even go be a contractor for Infosys but they're going to go unpaid for any day they don't work and they're going to be paying 100% of their group benefits. I've seen it happen. To add insult to injury, the full time employee replaced by the Infosys contractor has an Infosys job offer in hand so they can't file for unemployment. Many have no option but to take the deal and a lot of them are still working a year later as hourly contractors who see furloughs at all the holiday periods. How would you like it if your former employer had a policy where none of the contractors got paid for the 6 business days of Thanksgiving week and the following Monday, the 8 business days around Christmas-New Years, and Friday through Tuesday furloughs the other company holidays? It takes VP-level authorization to work those days. That's how you get to 60 cents on the dollar.

This stuff is evil.

The part I bolded is incorrect especially in CT. If your job changes significantly you can refuse the changes and collect unemployment. Key point is you must refuse the offer and never work even one day under the employers new offer. Now perhaps that wouldn't make sense if the new offer is more than what unemployment would pay (approx $595 per week in CT if single) but that's something the person in this situation needs to decide.

Generally speaking these are significant employment changes that you can refuse
Change in pay greater than 30%
Change from full time to part time hours
Change in commute time (for example company moves from Hartford to Stamford)
Change or elimination of benefits
Change in shifts (for example 1st shift to 3rd shift)

If we had unions this stuff wouldn't be happening. The DOL/unemployment office has actually become a de facto union whether they know it or not.

Infosys should have had the door slammed in their face and told to go back home. There's a reason they chose Hartford and not St Louis and we are going to find out that reason(s) very soon.

[CT_Yank]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

This isn't threatening the MIT/Cal Tech guy. It's threatening the Western Connecticut State IT grad who has to compete against Infosys contractors who get 60 cents on dollar

This stuff is evil.

Thanks Geoff. This is perfectly put.

[SeaDoo342]

Originally Posted by JayCT

But once again I ask, would you rather they opened this office somewhere else? Complain all you want about what a company like Inforsystem does, the fact is they are not going away and will be doing business here whether their office is in Hartford or Charlotte or Austin or New Delhi. This brings 1,000 decent paying tech jobs to a city that some who are uneducated would say has little to no tech sector. The article below explains how this came about and questions whether more will follow. This is a good start. Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/business/danh...e-12765403.php

Just because people disagree doesn't make them "uneducated"..

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by SeaDoo342

Just because people disagree doesn't make them "uneducated"..

It does if they think that Hartford has no tech sector jobs which has been what some have said here. Jay

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by JayCT

But once again I ask, would you rather they opened this office somewhere else? Complain all you want about what a company like Inforsystem does, the fact is they are not going away and will be doing business here whether their office is in Hartford or Charlotte or Austin or New Delhi. This brings 1,000 decent paying tech jobs to a city that some who are uneducated would say has little to no tech sector. The article below explains how this came about and questions whether more will follow. This is a good start. Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/business/danh...e-12765403.php

You have this totally wrong.

It's a zero sum game. Infosys will "bring 1,000 decent paying tech jobs" to metro Hartford by replacing full time employees with Infosys contractors at 60 cents on the dollar. They're not adding jobs other than sales staff who make the pitch to corporate CFOs and interact with the hiring managers. You just put 1,000 full time employees out on the street with nothing but a job offer from Infosys to take an hourly contract job with no employer-paid benefits. It's a great deal for the stockholders since it reduces operating costs significantly. Not so great if you are part of the unlucky crew who lose their full time jobs.

I saw this happen in the large Philly-based cable company a lot of people here get service from. The whole QA group vaporized. The whole IT group vaporized. A bunch of sustaining engineering people vaporized. Those job slots are all now hourly Infosys contractors. A bunch of those contractors are former full time employees who saw a really big drop in total comp. They're hourly and they don't get paid for all those days they're not in the building because it's a furlough or a company holiday.

[SeaDoo342]

Originally Posted by JayCT

It does if they think that Hartford has no tech sector jobs which has been what some have said here. Jay

Don't think anyone said there are "no" tech jobs in Hartford, but in comparison to other affluent metro areas, there are very little..

That doesn't make anyone "uneducated"..